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 Posted 09/02/2017  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add luvmyCAM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In North Central Kansas I averaged 13% copper per 1000 cents. In Salem OR. I average just under 4% yes it appears the copper plucking is silently going on out here. I factored in the dump cost etc. and concluded for myself it would barely be break even level if I were legally able to sell for melt.
I believe these copper cents are hoarded by us collectors but not the full cause of their disaperence. What I suspect is shipping containers filled with copper headed to Asia for melt. I'm sounding like a conspiracy theorist now "there is a vast right wing conspiracy against my husband and I".
Bottom line for me, copper cents are diminishing in circulation.
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 Posted 09/03/2017  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrookedd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My advice is only an opinion. Banks are not scrap dealers.
Therefor Banks would not go through the pennies to weed out
the copper content for themselves.

However Banks can be ordered to remove metal.
(google that date->) April 5, 1933.

The Idea is the more you buy. The more the scrapers buy.
If you show moderate interest. The less interest it shows.
The more copper you will save from melting. I know it's
silly and stupid. Sort of reverse logic. unless your
up against a hard scraper don't buy boxes.

Not sure if that made any sense but I tried.

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 Posted 10/26/2017  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MBACMA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
N.F. String & Son Inc. is running an ebay store called webcoins. They're pulling the copper pennies out of circulation and selling them at a roughly 44% markup on this ebay store. Webcoins is a fictitious name for which the principal is N.F. String & Son Inc, both located in Harrisburg.
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 Posted 10/27/2017  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, very interesting MBACMA. Just curious how you know that? I know most say they don't keep coppers but I still think they will be hard to snag from circulation in 10 years or so. They should still be easily found on ebay though!
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 Posted 10/27/2017  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just for the idea, but keep in mind that the last copper cents were made 36 years ago and that the market has been flushed with billions and billions of zinc cents since. So that means that, even if not a single cent would have gotten lost since, the share of copper would decrease fast anyway. But coins are written off after some time and coins are both lost, destroyed or taken out of circulation. In this case it's extra easy to filter out copper coins as they weigh more than the plated zinc. 36 years is about the estimated lifetime of a coin. Small denominations are usually wearing down extra fast. So I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of copper cents have already been taken out by now.

I'm not sure about Asian companies shipping containers full of pennies to Asia as that may cause a bit of a headache at customs. Copper tends to weigh quite a bit and ships also have load balancing. I can imagine that people are hoarding copper cents, though. For what I understand a lot of members here do so, at least up to a certain extent, and not every collector in the world is a member here. Even I managed to get hold of a few kilograms of American copper cents and I don't even live there...
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 Posted 10/27/2017  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure there are hoarders, always have been, no matter what the current disaster( real or not) of a collapse of coinage. {1837, 1863, 1944, 1960, 1980s, today). The way it works folks. It may be hoarders or just laziness/lack of use of coinage, that a "shortage" of copper pennies is happening. Possibly the contract company is "hoarding" by diverting copper cents to be sold as such on the PM market place. PM companies offer 5000 count bags for sale, somewhere there is a supplier (supply and demand), these outfits are in the distribution business to make money, not play with it.

Only thing I've noticed most recently is a slight drop in % of copper cents/box with the appearance of a whole lot more of the really nasty "stinkin zincolns", those car console zincrot infested beauties. Funny most of the most advanced cases of corrosion on on the post 2010 Shield series. Given the yearly production totals for these it is quite understandable the matmatical and statistical abundance over all the other dates. Percentage-wise, I'd estimate less than 15% are copper as compared to last year at this time was @20%.
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MBACMA I see what you mean. They've been dealing with banks since the 20's. They make napkin holders too.
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@MBACMA, with all the people buying those boxes of copper at a premium, eventually one of these hoarders will pass away and the heirs will soon discover that their only viable option is to take those boxes back to the bank.

The cents could potentially be sold over and over again, unless some other hoarder gets lucky and gets a box of pure copper.
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 Posted 10/31/2017  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MBACMA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I got one of those all zinc boxes too, and I was able to find out what they're doing via some internet research. The dead giveaway is when you go to their ebay store and see an N.F. String & Son roll of pennies in the store photo, plus big stacks of $500 face copper penny bags for sale, clearly the product of a large operation. They're doing presort/separating on other things too as you can see from the store's items for sale. I agree copper pennies are going to end up going the way of silver U.S. coins eventually, I have to say though that I hope their new venture is not successful and that these tons of copper find their way back into circulation!
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 Posted 10/31/2017  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add qaman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still get right at 10% copper, but I quit saving copper, had too many stacked up and out of space.
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I still keep any copper I find in change, but they seem to come less regularly than in the past. Probably around 10% as well.
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Very interesting Bobby. I think string and sons could corner the market. They are huge.
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Has anyone considered that its possible the federal government is secretly or not secretly melting down copper cents? I don't know much about the law but I would think the creator of coins have the authority to melt or withdraw them from circulation.
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I doubt it, not while they are losing money on minting cents every year. To reduce mintage requirements, they should want to keep as many cents in circulation as possible. I think the money gained pulling copper cents for melt would be lost to minting replacement Zincolns.
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