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Pillar of the Community
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? as they say, buy the coin, not the holder!!
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as they say, buy the coin, not the holder!! I don't know, in this case I think it would be "Buy the Holder, NOT the coin"  |
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Definitely a woody but I cannot fathom a 65 hiding under that grain pattern. Unless the pics are just that bad?
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Huh, the listing has been removed - go figure
First page came up "Listing removed" now the page comes up "sold"
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09/25/2017 2:13 pm
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Huh, the listing has been removed - go figure
It sold, at $99. Atrocious photography - here's where the same coin (look at the reverse toning pattern) - sold at Heritage for $104 a year ago: https://coins.ha.com/itm/Lincoln-ce...Lot=1x=0&y=0Seems an easy 65, but I'm not so sure of the RD designation any longer. |
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Even with the much clearer Heritage images, it is plainly obvious this coin is no longer Red  |
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Thanks for the detective work, Dave.
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The obverse even in the Heritage pictures looks very poorly struck, Do you all agree that it is actually a 65? Does strike and details not matter that much?
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Thanks for the detective work, Dave.
It's a matter of habit. If I'm going to comment on an auction coin, the very_first_thing I do is confirm the Cert and seek Heritage images. The Heritage auction is linked on the PCGS Cert Verification page. Quote:
The obverse even in the Heritage pictures looks very poorly struck, Do you all agree that it is actually a 65? Does strike and details not matter that much?
Pulling sufficient contrast to show strike detail from bright slabbed copper is tough. Trust me on this.  In addition, Heritage uses very long focal length lenses in order to achieve large working distances, and usually employs a combination of direct and indirect lighting (bouncing the applied light off reflectors in addition to having it bear directly on the coin). In certain circumstances, this works against the coin, like it does here. |
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These are common in this grade. This would not be one I'd choose if I were after that grade.
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Can't disagree. But I waited a long time for my PCGS 65RD (zero carbon or distractions) and was happy to buy it at $140. At this level it is tougher than the '09VDB in my opinion.
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09/25/2017 5:19 pm
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I agree with Coinfrog - a NICE 1909 Philly in true RED is VERY hard to find in high/higher grade.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Ooooo....I actually like it better after it turned in the holder. :)
Nice find in ha.com Dave!
The portrait relief on the 1909's was weak. I don't believe I've ever read that in any of reference material - that is my experience with all mint issues in 1909. It was the first year for the design and they had to have tweaked it later as the portrait just seems deeper to me from 1910 on. It's most noticeable on the cheek and jaw - I've seen many MS coins that almost look worn on the cheek.
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PCGS 65RD (zero carbon or distractions) and was happy to buy it at $140. At this level it is tougher than the '09VDB in my opinion. Agree Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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I actually saw JSalsa's post and looked it up and thought to look on Heritage like Superdave. Got the seller down to $85.00 Love woodies and took a little chance.
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