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Poll About Modern Coin Trends - Traditional Vs Adorned

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 Posted 10/03/2017  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could care less what people enjoy.

I voted that it will hurt the hobby in the long run for a handful of reasons:

1) Novelty NCLT exists for the Mint to make a quick and easy profit. With the exception of US commemoratives and maybe a few others, most seem to go down in value, but are nevertheless sold as "investments". I know there are bigger issues out there, but this still seems dishonest. Imagine if you were a brand new collector and spent $80 on a coin only to find out that it's worth $50 on ebay six months later; $40 a year later...

2) When I got started collecting as a kid in the late 90s, there were two coins of each denomination to collect from circulation each year. Now it's all so much more complicated, not to mention expensive. If I was looking at a complete "set" of 500+ coins that would cost thousands of dollars, I would simply never start collecting and spend that money on video games instead.

To illustrate my point, Japanese commemoratives were the first that I seriously pursued. They were reasonably plentiful, held value well, and were aesthetically pleasing. There are only a handful to collect between 1964-2000, but then Japan launched the 47 Prefectures coin series to cash in on the success seen by the State Quarters. There are bimetallic ¥500 (complete set costs about $235 if you were lucky to get them from the bank; $500-600 on ebay) and silver colorized ¥1000 yen that can only be purchased for about $60... $2,820 for the set!

3) I'm increasingly hearing reports that NCLT coins are not "legal tender" and cannot even be turned in to a bank for face value. At that point, why not just collect little porcelain gnome figurines?

4) A few weeks ago, my in-laws came to me with an impulse buy from a yard sale; a Liberia $10 with Bill Clinton and two Cook Dollar $1 9/11 "We will never forget" coins. Worse than novelty junk, they were FAKE. I feel like I see 10 reports of fake Disney Princess coins per day on here. It's nearly impossible to be an "expert" on these coins, and counterfeiters are taking advantage of that fact. That will tangibly hurt our hobby even worse than fakes of coins that only serious collectors pursue.
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 Posted 10/03/2017  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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With the exception of US commemoratives and maybe a few others, most seem to go down in value,


Most US commemoratives go down in value now. There's only a couple modern ones holding any significant premium. Ultra modern US mint products in general actually have a far worse track record holding value than some of the world stuff with the exception of the top grades in some instances
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 Posted 10/03/2017  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paxbrit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's not just coinage, it's everything. Even conservative authorities issue postage stamps with puppies on them, and collectors were deluged with Kennedy stamps in 1963, Princess Diana, Royal Weddings, from places like Dubai and Mali. Even national currencies are becoming 'popularized', with soccer players, politically correct amalgams of history, and the like. It's not just Fiji and the Maldive Islands doing this, so is Canada, and the US was slated to produce a new note featuring a politically desireable portrait until it was stopped this year.

When you've got commercial goods like Elvis on Velvet and John Wayne Commemorative Wall Plates fetching millions of dollars a year, it was only a matter of time until that was recognized by the governments of the world. Now we're stuck with it until federal budgets are slashed to the point where producing such dross is no longer possible.
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 Posted 10/03/2017  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll admit that I only know a handful of trends in modern US commemoratives. I'd be interested to see some data if anyone has any.

I bought 3 of the 2015 March of Dimes set; I think the issue price was $60. Coulda-shoulda sold them three months later for $90-150 for a raw set. Now an OGP set goes for about $75-80. Not as bad, but I would take a $45 profit on my investment if I wanted or needed to sell them today. I like the W mint dime in particular, and hope that it will go up in value as more collectors see that very tough hole in future albums.
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 Posted 10/03/2017  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"I only like a coin of the traditional style, proof or struck for circulation."

However, I have recently taken an interest in medals. Specifically the silver and bronze medals in the C&C sets, as well as the new silver Liberty medals.
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I like the W mint dime in particular, and hope that it will go up in value as more collectors see that very tough hole in future albums.


This is why it's good to keep people interested in our hobby. Maybe newer collectors will be fond of the "cartoon coins" and will move to more conventional sets that need pieces like your dime. If all of us dinosaurs die out with no one to pick up the torch, our modern coins that have lost half their value will lose All of it save face. Current or future value doesn't drive my acquisition, but I want what I have to bring as much as it can for whomever decides to liquidate later.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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 Posted 10/04/2017  05:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Last time I directly supported the U.S. Mint Public Enterprise Fund (PEF) was back in the year 2012.


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Established in 1792, the Mint is the world's largest coin manufacturer. Since Fiscal Year (FY) 1996, the Mint has operated under the Public Enterprise Fund (PEF) (31 U.S.C. § 5136). The PEF enables the Mint to operate without an appropriation. The Mint generates revenue through the sale of circulating coins to the Federal Reserve Banks (FRB), numismatic products to the public, and bullion coins to authorized purchasers. Revenue in excess of amounts required by the PEF is transferred to the United States Treasury (Treasury) General Fund.


When a U.S. Mint product is purchased directly from the U.S. Mint itself, you are contributing to the PEF which pays for U.S. Mint operations, Act of Congress medals (e.g. Congressional gold medals), etc... Excess funds are transferred to the U.S. Treasury General Fund of which pays for essential government services.

The U.S. Mint is incentivized to produced/sell numismatic and bullion coins, as a result you will see an abundant number of new issues and new products.

https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp...alReport.pdf
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 Posted 10/04/2017  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for posting that, DrDarryl. Many do not realize the US Mint is self funded.
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 Posted 10/04/2017  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dorado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I voted :

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It's all good, anything goes. Makes no difference to me. If I like it I get it

Is an extra hobby for me . a simple way to relax and research .
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Any truth to the rumor the RCM will be releasing a maple syrup silver coin? A one ounce coin with a vial of maple syrup incorporated in the design?
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Here's a good example:

http://www.mint.ca/store/coins/pure...nese_Zodiac&

Canadian 1 kilo .9999 gold coin, sold for CAD $75,000. Right now, 1 kilo of gold is worth CAD $51,164. $24,000 surcharge for a ceremonial face value, lackluster artistry, a vague and culturally insignificant commemoration (for Canada), and a meaningless low mintage. Yes, you could break even or even make a profit if gold sees a 50% price hike in the coming years. But why not just buy a kilo bar at current market price? A kilo gold coin is not something that carries any demand beyond its melt value, so why make them at all? There is no way around the fact that coins like these are a money pit.
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 Posted 10/04/2017  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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A kilo gold coin is not something that carries any demand beyond its melt value,


That's not necessarily true
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Any truth to the rumor the RCM will be releasing a maple syrup silver coin? A one ounce coin with a vial of maple syrup incorporated in the design?
Say what!?

I have to admit, as a lover of real maple syrup, I would be tempted.
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 Posted 10/04/2017  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't worry about these futuristic items having an impact on the hobby. Most people will only know traditional coins as the special issues are for collectors only, usually, so they stay out of sight of the masses anyway. Except in Transnistria, of course, where composite coins are released for circulation. And I assume that we'll all go cashless in the (near) future anyway, so...

For me, I mostly like traditional coins, with a few variations just for fun. As long as it's authentic and durable.

ps. Remember that a lot of people collect German Notgeld. That went beyond creative compared to some of the futuristic issues nowadays...

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I voted other, I mainly collect US coinage of the traditional style. I also collect irradiated dimes and elongated cents. Although the motorized transformer coin with lazerbeam eyes sweetens the deal
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