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New Member
Japan
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I've encountered an oddball ANACS slab that I wanted opinions on. ANACS so far has not responded to my email inquiry about it.   Looking at the coin and comparing to another Reverse Proof Buffalo I have on hand, it looks normal. The weight in the slab is quite a bit less than an NGC Buffalo and just a bit less than a PCGS one, but only 4 grams under PCGS so could be attributed to lower plastic content. My biggest 2 concerns are that the cert numbers don't show up on ANACS' site (but neither do a lot of other ANACS certified coins) and ANACS doesn't show this slab type on their site either. There seem to be a fair number of these slabs floating around the market from what I see and only seems to be used on Eagles and Buffalos from what I found. The coin came to be from a reputable dealer who has also sold a number of these ANACS slabbed coins, but they also have not been able to get any response from ANACS about the legitimacy or lack thereof so far. Any opinions or experience with these would be greatly appreciated. *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. *** |
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Rest in Peace
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I'm no expert on slabs, just give you an impression, that barcode isn't real. the serrations are too thick I think. Newer barcode readers would never be able to translate that, is jibberish. I had to learn barcodes while working as a mail carrier, in case our scanners broke we'd use Mark 1 Eyeball to certify the coded parcels. May be reason arabic number isn't coded in ANACS site...yikes, that stinks!
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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One of the problems of slabs is that a suspect coin in it cannot be checked accurately for weight. Have to break the slab to do that, then you won't be able to return it. The seller would easily say that you are sending a fake coin back, and what they sent you was genuine. The Chinese can fake slabs easier than they can fake gold coins. Fake credit cards are a parallel example. I cannot think of a way around this situation except to say that you MUST buy from a known seller with a provable reputation, preferably before you even submit a bid. Numismatic professional sellers of provable established reputation DO use ebay! |
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New Member
 Japan
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In terms of the barcode Crazyb0, it is consistent with the style of ANACS' barcodes on their known holders. My phone's barcode reader has no problems reading it and it does give the correct number.
That doesn't make me feel any more or less certain about it, just that the barcode with the spaces and bar thickness is usual for ANACS.
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Rest in Peace
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That's where I'm no expert. Does ANACS newer slabs, those after 2000 have that size coding?. Looks older style is all which would make easier to counterfeit, use an old run sequence style, just change a number around. Not meaning to scare, just my impression, my smell test meter pegged off scale on this one, that's all. I usually keep on truckin', as the song says, "Walk on by....". ( yea, REAL old song  )  Edited by Crazyb0
10/03/2017 02:55 am
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New Member
Japan
9 Posts |
I actually may have found an answer on this, wish ANACS would reply to confirm or not though.
I found some wood boxes and COAs from "First Commemorative Mint" in New York. Seems they are a dealer in New York that does mail order and television sales of coins. I found several of this type of slab with their COAs. Wondering if they got ANACS to do a cheaper/unique slab for them to hawk on TV for inflated prices?
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Bedrock of the Community
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They've used that style in the past for big submitters. Pretty sure HSN has had them do those before in the past too.
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Rest in Peace
United States
17900 Posts |
Looking at the coin itself I don't see anything that looks scary.
I think your answer of a special encapsulation for a specific seller will likely prove true.
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New Member
Japan
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Yeah, I'm thankful I had another one on hand right now in an NGC slab to compare to. I can't find anything at all that looks out of the ordinary with the coin. It would be a VERY good copy if it were a fake.
From the last two posts the slab itself seems likely to be ok.
I really wish ANACS would at least acknowledge it to myself or the dealer I got it from, but I'm reasonably comfortable with it for now. I may try to call them, just the Western US is a bit of a pain to catch a time that is during business hours there and convenient for me to call here.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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They've used that style in the past for big submitters. Pretty sure HSN has had them do those before in the past too. +1 ANACS used this style slab on thousands of coins. It is fine. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Would be nice if ANACS would have their act together enough for at least the modern coinage to all show up when verifying their certification. Not sure what's going on with that, especially with the value of these coins, and all the fakes going around :-/
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10/03/2017 10:28 am
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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It definitely seems to be a 2nd tier of slabbing by ANACS in those slabs for TV and special commemorative sets. This is vs. the slopping top ones which have both blue and yellow (current) labels.
It's sort of like big name food companies making special products for Costco. Sometimes its just a bigger package but other times its a little lower quality or otherwise different, with the name hidden in small type if it's even disclosed.
GENERALLY, ANACS blue label days were from before the sale to Driving Force, LLC in December 2007. Current ANACS (owned by EKW, LLC) doesn't guarantee those.
Last I heard, they were still reholdering blue labels with blue, unless you paid for regrade to yellow.
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