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cableguy815 Valued Member United States 414 Posts	Posted 10/03/2017 10:50 am Can someone please explain this to me? Here is the listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russia-Nich...222664754419 Here is the coin on NGC https://www.NGCcoin.com/certlookup/3930094-006/62/ How is this not a details coin? Ignoring the clip for a second, the surface hairlines/scratches should alone be sufficient to prevent this coin from grading. I've seen coins receive details grading for far less. I swear... sometimes I feel some of these coin submitters either bribe graders or have relatives working there... Report this Post to the Staff

moxking Rest in Peace United States 17900 Posts	Posted 10/03/2017 1:55 pm They've had it in their hands. What you think are cleaning lines might very well be die polishing. If you are talking about the bright luster, that is neither an indication of cleaning or dipping. Well stored silver that hasn't been exposed to anything that would cause toning will still be bright. As in the zillion bright white Morgan's. Report this Post to the Staff
UltraRant Pillar of the Community Norway 1358 Posts	Posted 10/07/2017 2:25 pm I guess that a part of the issue is the quality of the photos. Just using the wrong light makes anything look horrible, for example. It may also be an error by NGC, as they're just a bunch of humans doing some work under a lot of time pressure. To error is human, to moo bovine. Or something like that. For what I can see, I think it's indeed an error coin struck on a clipped planchet. The photos from NGC are simply appalling and make the coin look very unattractive. The seller coins look much better to me. For what I can see from the details, it's really an uncirculated coin, yet it shows traces of having been on this planet for almost 200 years. Thus, a low MS rating would be justified. I wonder what this coin would tell if it could talk about its life story. Anyway, that's just my opinion. Report this Post to the Staff
cableguy815 Valued Member United States 414 Posts	Posted 10/07/2017 2:44 pm It really is hard to tell. I think Mox is probably right and the lines are probably die polishing. As you said, part of the problem are the horrid pictures. Report this Post to the Staff
realeswatcher Pillar of the Community United States 1962 Posts	Posted 10/08/2017 12:05 am The piece has certainly been dipped (out?)... and there ARE a number of surface scratches (aside from the luster/flowlines/die polish lines that may kind of be blending on there)... BUT -- I think it got through because there doesn't seem to be any pattern of hairlining that indicates a full-on dedicated "wiping"... and despite the obvious dip & strip, there IS a good amount of luster there. In general, though, there's really no way around it... I see a lot of NGC -graded world material that graded "straight" which really probably should have been bagged for cleaning. On the flip side, the older the piece, the more benefit of the doubt it gets. These are both graded 58, but factoring in the wear, I'd say they have worse surfaces: https://coins.ha.com/itm/russia/wor...ption-071515 https://coins.ha.com/itm/russia/wor...ption-071515 Report this Post to the Staff
PatAR Valued Member United States 262 Posts	Posted 10/18/2017 12:13 am It also bears remembering that PCGS and NGC utilize market grading rather than purely technical grading when providing their opinion. For example, certain scarce early USA coins will get "the benefit of the doubt" and straight grade even when they clearly have problems. Similarly, certain world coins that are rarely encountered in nice condition may receive a higher (or straight) grade due to their rarity and desirability by collectors who specialize in the series and know how hard it is to find a problem free or higher grade example. I'm not an expert on the coin in question, but know of many series from other countries that are almost unknown in uncirculated condition and highly sought after even with hairlines. Report this Post to the Staff
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