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 Posted 02/19/2005  11:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add OldDan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
They say that the marketplace determines the values as listed in the Coin Dealers Newsletter (gray sheet). Am I right about this?

IF not, where do they come from?

Where does the Blue sheet come in, and is it any more dependable than the Gray sheet?
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 Posted 02/20/2005  04:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Each price guide gathers information for a network of contributers each who monitor a coins series or several coin series.. The pricing information goes into the publishing house and come from recorded sales.

From here the information is averaged out from what is reported and BINGO you have your price guide. This is a problem with the World Catalog too many coins to keep track of. Some go unreported for years. So you end up seeing a price of $1.00 in the guide when you know you can't buy the piece for less than $10.00.

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 Posted 02/20/2005  07:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add longnine009 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by OldDan


Where does the Blue sheet come in, and is it any more dependable than the Gray sheet?



I believe the blue sheet is for slabbed coins and grey has always been for raw. Which is kind of interesting The Blue & the Grey.
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 Posted 02/20/2005  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good point Longnine. What we have IS a civil War between the slabs and the raw.

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I still maintain that one of the best places to get a "market" value is ebay and Heritage. I lean heavier on the ebay side but the numbers have always worked.
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Originally posted by Susanlynn9

I still maintain that one of the best places to get a "market" value is ebay and Heritage. I lean heavier on the ebay side but the numbers have always worked.



Could this be because you are closer to the source of information, and not having someone else interpret the data as they see it?
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I think that is part of it. The other factor is that you can see how the market changes from week to week. The Greysheet is the closest actual price guide that I've seen to that, but even that doesn't show you the fluctuating trends as clearly.
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As a long term collector I had to learn to "trust" something and the grey sheet probably fills the bill better than anything I have found. I do like the monthly guides I receive from Coin World but have found they seem to be a little inflated across the board! While inflated prices really look good, if your selling, they lead to disappointments!
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 Posted 02/21/2005  07:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Greysheet also has an online version that is updated daily. The greysheet is used for raw and slabbed coins in sightseen transactions between two informed parties. The Bluesheet is supposed to be sight-unseen purchases of slabbed coins. 99% of dealers use the greysheet because most transactions are done in person. Dealers who use the Bluesheet when purchasing sight-seen are hedging their profits a bit.
The Bluesheet has specific bids for each of the major services and all are priced differently. It allows the dealers a specific way to "buy" the holder.
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 Posted 02/21/2005  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now as far as which to use. Collectors should only use the "greysheet" to get a baseline of what a particular coin is trading at between dealers. Auction prices realized is a much better guide for collectors. ebay, Heritage, Bowers and Superior all offer this type of guide and it should be used across the board.

Too much effort is put forth in what "dealers" are paying or selling at. The use of a greysheet should allow knowledgable collectors the ability to judge if their dealer is working within the system. However, it truely rely's on the the ability to grade properly.
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Here is an earlier post I wrote about the greysheet:

Here is a simple guide:

Collector's often ask how dealers decide on prices to buy and sell. Here is a little insight into the process.

A customer enters the dealers store, (storefront, show, online), the dealer will pull out his most current copy of the Coin Dealer Newsletter, commonly referred to as the Greysheet. He will look at the bid/ask price of the coin(s). Now depending on his need (inventory-ability to sell) of the coin a price will be quoted.

As an example if a dealer is offered a strict MS-63 1922 Peace dollar the bid is currently $21.00 / ask $23.00 Now most dealers have plenty of this issue in stock, so the offer will probably be $17 or $18 with a resale offer of $25.00

Now if the same customer offered a strict MS-63 1921 Peace dollar (key in the series) the current bid is $267.00 / ask $295.00 An offer of $275 to $285 will be made. A resale price of $320.00

It is always easier for a dealer to sell a key date. Most transactions of a dealer are to other dealers. We use bid/ask prices (greysheet) for this purpose. It is used as a reference for retail prices also. Most dealers try to work on a 20% rule. This will cover our expenses of processing the coins for sale.

Now I suggest that every collector obtain a copy of the greysheet on a semi annual basis. (every 4-6 months). This will allow you to better judge your coins value to a perspective dealer.
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