1974-D Doubled Die Obverse / DDO Kennedy Half Dollar PCGS Numbers

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BadDog Pillar of the Community United States 1375 Posts	Posted 10/09/2017 11:29 am PCGS attributes this variety under 2 different numbers - 96723 and 145385. The 145385 number adds FS-101 to the variety designation. The PCGS price guide gives the same prices for both numbers. I don't know what the difference is between these two coins or what the FS-101 designation means, but I'm sure someone in the forum can educate me. Thanks! Report this Post to the Staff

coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 10/09/2017 12:58 pm The dies are usually listed with different numbers because they are different hubbing issues. The hubbing can have up to 9 different numbers because of the reason for the doubled die. (9 different classes) Each class can have 'X' number of varieties because of different hubbing directions/classes. For example the 1972 cents have several different classes, with each class being slightly different. (with different pricing for each dies coins) These can have different die numbers. But the prices will usually be different depending on what die number is used. Some are strong hub doubled, other medium and some minor doubled dies. Supply and demand can be different. (IE 1958 had a strong doubled die. But with only two examples known, the would raise the price a lot more) Coin conditions can be different from coin to coin. So a lot of things can contribute to price differences. Variety vista has a Generic pricing guide they use for some doubled dies. (kind of a one size fits all on some coins) So the different die numbers are for different dies represented used for striking. Hope this helps. Edited by coop 10/09/2017 12:58 pm Report this Post to the Staff
BadDog Pillar of the Community United States 1375 Posts	Posted 10/09/2017 1:17 pm Coop, thanks for the information about DD in general, but what I was wondering is what is the difference between the coins that PCGS gives different PCGS numbers to. As near as I can tell, the FS-101 designation is from the Fivaz-Stanton CherryPickers Guide and it corresponds to a CONECA DDO-001 designation for the 74-D Kennedy. So, I think that tells me what PCGS#145385 is, but it doesn't tell me what makes it different from PCGS#96723. PCGS lists 96723 as the major variety and 145385 as the sub variety. Is there really a difference between the two coins, or is this just a PCGS labeling variety indicating the FS cherrypickers number? It seems like there's generally a price difference between the two on ebay (145385 is more expensive) and I'm wondering if you're just paying for the label if you get a 145385 coin, or if there is something actually different to the coin itself. Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Edited by BadDog 10/09/2017 1:20 pm Report this Post to the Staff
nfine Pillar of the Community United States 3477 Posts	Posted 10/09/2017 1:23 pm Sometimes the difference comes down to the TPG being paid for a specific attribution. Pay x$ get a label with 96723, y$ will get a label with 145385. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 10/09/2017 1:26 pm I guess I should have added, the difference in numbers is that number corresponds to who attributed the coin and which number system was used. These die can be cross referenced, but have had different attributors numbers. Report this Post to the Staff
BadDog Pillar of the Community United States 1375 Posts	Posted 10/09/2017 2:54 pm Quote: Sometimes the difference comes down to the TPG being paid for a specific attribution. Pay x$ get a label with 96723, y$ will get a label with 145385. nfine, this is what I'm thinking as well. PCGS is notorious for giving the same coin multiple labels (I'm looking at you Baseball HOF coins) and then calling them die varieties. So, with this 74-D DDO Kennedy half you can either get the generic label (PCGS#96723) or you can pay extra $ and get the FS-101 CherryPickers Guide label (PCGS#145385) for the exact same coin. So, I suppose if you're going for coins with labels corresponding to the CherryPickers Guide, then you pay the extra $ to get that label (either when getting the coin graded or buying it already graded). I was just wondering if anyone new for sure that this was the case. Report this Post to the Staff
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1974-D DDO Kennedy Half Dollar PCGS Numbers