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 Posted 10/14/2017  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I knew the opinions would range wide.

I should add that resale is not an option for me and it does affect my decision. If I were going to need to resell at some point, then I would certainly prefer certified coins since that is a very real benefit.
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I can tell you that this active collector has bought over 100 slabbed banknotes in 2017, and I have returned only ONE of them for grade, and another for undisclosed paper damage.

The 150 raw notes I've bought in 2017, however, have seen numerous returns for grade, undisclosed damage, deceptive photographs, etc, etc, etc. The TPG item acts as a definite bar to chicanery and error by vendors, where grading is seemingly subjective, counterfeits are increasing, and ethics can be spotty. TPG allows me to basically consider price and eye appeal when purchasing, and eliminates the need for a lot of buyer concerns, at least generally.


I agree with this. TPG has legitimatized the online hobby. There's so much chicanery and ineptitude going on, it's hard to trust anyone. It's worth a little extra for the peace of mind of having a TPG back up the grade. And, they also seem to be pretty well insulated from prejudice- that is, giving better grades to coins owned by bigger clients.

As for the OP's question of when to submit, I like to do it when I need to be authenticated. For instance, if I research a variety and think it's right still feels good to have a 3rd party confirm it. And, of course, it's essential for an auction resale.
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It's worth a little extra for the peace of mind of having a TPG back up the grade.
I agree. It should not be the only opinion, but still an important one nonetheless.
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Sorry, I forgot how to quote a post.

THIS IS 100% CORRECT: "Any collector who so wishes can learn to grade their own coins with just as much accuracy as the paid "professionals."

Anyone who disputes this is uninformed. That is not an opinion it is a fact! I write this from actual experience.

Now here is the dirty little secret. There are new hires in training at at least two of the four major grading services. They are learning the line. Coin grading is easy. What takes YEARS of experience is learning "Commercial Grading" (a coins market value) where value comes in. Of example, that's why an 1884-S dollar that looks like a typical MS-62 compared with common dates in the company's slab is only graded AU!
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I'll bring up one point about raw copper coins.

I'm not confident about my ability to detect minor defects on large cents and Half Cents. Subtle signs of cleaning or recoloring are therefore a concern. I remember paying nearly $500 for a "choice uncirculated" 1820 large cent that looked beautiful to me. The seller was a well-known dealer specializing in large cents and he had over a hundred raw coins displayed at his table at the Long Beach Expo. His opinion was that the coin was original and problem-free. When I submitted it for grading years later it was body-bagged for cleaning by both PCGS and NGC. I eventually sold the coin at a loss.

I don't think the dealer intentionally sold me a cleaned coin. I just think his criteria for originality did not match those of the TPG graders. To me the assurance provided by a no-problem grade from PCGS or NGC is an important factor for making a "buy" decision.

I agree that it will be easier to sell your coins for the best price if they are certified (problem-free, of course) by PCGS or NGC. ANACS and ICG are worthy grading services but coins in their holders will typically not bring as good a price as PGCS or NGC-graded coins. This potential difference is certainly something to consider if your eventual goal is to sell.

I wouldn't mind seeing some of your coins. Care to post any pictures?
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