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Ducaton Utrecht 1760, Fresh Water Find

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 Posted 10/28/2017  6:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Archeo1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A very nice looking silver rider from the city of Utrecht, sadly enough the obverse was damage by a fire or something.

Obv: Armoured knight riding horse brandishing sword. Crowned coat of arms of the province of Utrecht below.
Legend: MO NO ARG CON FOE BELG PRO TRAI
Rev: Two lions, heads facing, holding crowned coat of arms, year (1760) below.
Legend: CONCORDIA . RES . PARVAE . CRES .
Diameter: 44mm
Mass: 32,74 gramm


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Ducaton-Utrecht-1760,-Fresh-Water-Find
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 Posted 10/28/2017  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still a great pull. Congratulations.
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 Posted 10/28/2017  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Someday I will have to get that coin.
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 Posted 10/28/2017  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archeo1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Should I be worried? ;)
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This one looks like seawater damage.

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Ducaton-Utrecht-1760,-Fresh-Water-Find

There are a number of Dutch shipwrecks ca 1715-1740 which could be the source.
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The damage on mine is caused by extreme heat. Other coins on this site were found melted to each other
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The damage on mine is caused by extreme heat. Other coins on this site were found melted to each other

Was the heat caused by fire on a ship? I guess the coins would melt before getting dumped into the water?
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Possibly, but it must have been a small ship. It's not from the coast but from an area with lots of big lakes en rivers
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A great find!
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In the 1990's a large number of Spanish cobs were recovered in Seville Harbor, from a ship which sank ca 1671-1672. Seville is 50 miles inland, so these are also freshwater recovery. These coins do not show the typical shipwreck corrosive effects from seawater, and look more like your rijder.

https://coins.www.collectors-societ...spx?sc=74200

I found a small hoard of these at Harlan Berk several years ago and purchased a few 4R denomination dated 1665-1671. They are extremely sharp in their strike detail, though as cobs the strikes are imperfect. They are as black as coal. Here are a pair side by side. I cleaned up the one on the right to make the details visible. The lighting hides how dark they are in hand.

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Ducaton-Utrecht-1760,-Fresh-Water-Find

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Nice Spanish coins

The ducaton has the same black coloring as this medieval denarius that was found in a field with clay/peat layers.
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They come out completely black or corroded. After cleaning them a bit, especially the higher parts as lettering, something like this remains.
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 Posted 10/30/2017  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coopertron5000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cracking find!
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