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1909 VDB FS 1102 Verify And Grade?

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Hey All, I think this is the 1909 VDB FS 1102 doubled die. Can anyone confirm this for me? Also, What would you grade this coin?


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I need to see some closer view of the LIBERTY and the date. There is a normal coin that has similar die chips. Here are images of a side by side of the want to be die chips to look like 002:
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So close images of these areas would be a great help.
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I am also noticing the Die Scratch on the throat. Let me now if these help at all. Do the Copy Cats also have the throat scratch?

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 Posted 11/02/2017  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JDRMCB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you have found it as well, congrats! (#jealous)
I'm seeing 3 of the known Stage C obverse die markers for this variety and on top of that it's a gorgeous mint state coin!
I'll let the more experienced members chime in but it looks like the real deal to me.


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The throat scratch is actually part of a die clash not a scratch at all.
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Ah Yes, Clash! sorry bout that, I ve only been collecting for a year and a half so I am not very good with the lingo! This is exciting though. Paid $33 on ebay, so I hope it comes out being the 1909 VDB FS 1102!
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Fingers crossed
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Here is how the 1101-normal-1102 side by side to see the differences:
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Coop, In your opinion, do you think it is 1102?
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Yes. The SW corners on the LIBERTY are the convincing thing to me.
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Creating these images made me note that more than the die chip issues. (Look for the doubling and not the markers)
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Awesome! Thank you so much everyone! I think I am going to get it graded since the consensus is that this is the 1102.
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There are a couple of marks by the bow tie. If they are damage it will hurt the grade. So see if they are incuse?
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Grade-wise, I'd say 64RD.
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I concur, MS64 RD.

But we all know that with TPG's it's all about keeping the population percentages desirable for the registry set collectors as well as keeping the value of the particular variety from depreciating too much within a grade and the grade immediately below it.
So you might be pleasantly surprised or utterly appalled when you get it back. IMHO.

I've got my fingers crossed for you.
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BTW, to my knowledge, PCGS is the only TPG that will attribute the FS-1102. NGC will not because it hasn't made it onto their approved variety list yet. And of course ANACS will pretty much attribute anything you send them.


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Here's the current PCGS Pop Report for the FS-1102....
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