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United States
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I would have to lean towards forgery. I don't like the weight, that's just too off for a such a seemingly perfectly symmetrical Ruble (yet another thing that I find very suspicious as these Rubles are often not symmetrical like this example here: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces23406.html). Aside from that, the detail is all mushy, the face is off, the text is off (look at the 44 in 1744, the 4s differ), there is no indication of strike, and there are many odd looking "pimples" throughout the coin (originals do have pimples but not like yours). Everything I see in this coin suggest it's a cast copy. Here is a high grade original for reference:  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Well certainly the details on the lower bodice are not remotely similar to the genuine example.
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Thanks for warning. I have contacted seller and asked for refund. I really pulled a stupid stunt. Hopefully he'll be reasonable. He's Canadian with 7-day return. I didn't read his fine print stipulation that he cannot guarantee authenticity. However, "fine print" is no place to point this out. Should be in title of listing.
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no two Russian Rubles from this period are identical which makes them an excellent choice for forgeries. When it comes to ebay, I often run into terrible copies of rubles with similar fine print stating that they cannot guarantee authenticity. This should be taken as nothing other than "this coin is a fake PERIOD". |
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cannot guarantee authenticity. This should be taken as nothing other than "this coin is a fake PERIOD". I totally agree, but my coin OCD got the better of me and I didn't bother reading the stipulation. Sometimes if I go through a coin-buying drought, I do impulsive things. He should have stated his disclaimer in title of listing. This sloppiness of sellers has always been a pet peeve of mine. I have contacted him and may seek further advice down the road if he's hard to deal with. |
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Good luck and keep us informed!
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Thanks, Coinfrog. The seller issued refund. Now I'm beginning to doubt myself. I think I will re-post my Eritrea tallero to see what people think about authenticity (was originally posted here: http://goccf.com/t/297914 |
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This is 100% wrong. The planchets back then were not perfect as they were not collar struck hence the coins were often not perfect circular.
The edging is wrong as well. This type of edging was only used after 1810. The edge back then had the text extruding instead of intruding.
And lastly, let's be realistic. You aren't going to pick a genuine example for under 200 USD unless it's heavily damaged.
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