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1793 Liberty Cap Large Cent - Genuine?

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Just found this one on ebay. Looks a tad fishy.

Do you think it is genuine?


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Going to need much better pics.
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The reverse pic on the link is worthless.
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I wouldn't buy a sandwich with pictures this bad.
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I don't know about the coin, but am familiar with the seller, and they have sold some nice stuff (once to me) in the past. But blurry pics worry me, seller knows how to take better photos. Bobby could probably get this taken down due to ebay listing violations. I messaged the seller and asked for better pics. Lets see what happens.
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Mintage 11,056 and in low Good condition going for 6000$ - I think not - unless the coin Gods have come upon you!
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A LOT of high $ stuff is bought and sold by this eBayer. I mean HIGH DOLLAR. Seems to have a good rating and those VERY expensive tastes, previous old coin sales with good favorable responses. Will cost ya...

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If he's that good, why the lousy reverse pic?
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why the lousy reverse pic?


That's what got me skeptical. You could tell if it was a real 1793 and not an altered date, by the beads going around the reverse, but because of the bad reverse pic you can't see them.
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The rim does not look beaded
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1793 Liberty Cap large cents did not have obverse or reverse denticles; instead, as noted by a couple others here, a beaded border was used. The denticles did not show up until 1794. This coin appears to have obverse denticles, not beading.

The date style is also off, especially the overly round 9 and flat-topped 7/3.

TY is lower than LIBER, an arrangement found only on the ultra-scarce S-15 and S-16 for 1793, and both of those dies have unique features which are not present on this coin, e.g. the broken L and Y on S-16.

Here is my take on the reverse, oriented and with a base line from the base of the T in CENT running due east, it appears to bisect the E in AMERICA, correct for 1793. However, the bottom serifs on the visible letters appear to be flat, not peaked.

I don't know what it is, exactly, but I don't think it's a 1793, and even that's mostly guesswork. Better pictures are the only real answer here.


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Thank you for your help guys.
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IS a puzzlement. The pictures as mentioned are bad, the reverse pretty much worthless. I can't get the obv to match up with any of the known varieties.

There is no bisecting crack down through the E so it isn't S-14

The B is not well above the E at the base so it isn't S-15 or 16

NC-6 does not have the upright of the B "dotted" by a bead/dentical so it is out.

The obv of 12 and 13 have the E and R even at the base, on this coin the E is high.

That eliminates everything.

It isn't an altered 1794 head of 93.

It can't be an altered head of 94 because the junction of hair and forehead to too far to the right below the Y.

Can't be an altered 1795 because LIBERTY is too far away from the head.
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Great detective work! Seller messaged me and said they'd post better photos. Not holding my breath. If better pics don't show up in a day or so, might post it in the Counterfeit forum.
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