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1896 Morgan, Offset Strike

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Came across this coin with a batch I picked up some time ago and just noticed the oddity. The weight is dead on.

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Here is the flip side


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Also notice above the U it looks like a piece of foreign matter may have come between the planchet and the die, or a die cracked while in the process of strike if that is possible.

Any suggestions or critiques welcome, nlp



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what a struggle, had to play with something I have limited knowledge about. I hope the picture of reverse is good enough.
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05/11/2008 7:16 pm
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Both photos are of the obverse and I don't see any offset. Could you please explain more?
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It does appear to have a slightly off-center strike, but they usually don't carry a premium until the letters or devices are on or over the rim. The rim is slightly wider at 8 o'clock than it is at 2 o'clock. I cannot tell from the picture what is going on above the U, it could be a die crack/chip- they are pretty common on Morgan dollars.

The reverse pic is clear but too small to make out any details...we sure are picky aren't we !
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05/11/2008 7:19 pm
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Notice the distance from the outside diameter of the coin on the left side to the denticles and the corresponding lack of that dimension on the right side. The offset is from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock. At first I thought it may be one of the immitations so I gave it the weight test and it is dead on. I've looked for irregularities in the lettering and hair but my eye isn't as keen as some on this forum. I haven't noticed any flaws other than the centering of the die over the planchet and the denticle damage over the U in PL(U). nlp
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I see what you are talking about now. Sorry, I was taught that the design on the die is slightly bigger than the coin and can float around on a normal coin as long as it is not missing any design elements (as infiniteinterest said above). Once it is missing design elements it is considered either an off center (both sides off centered in the same direction and distance) or a misaligned die (one side centered and one side off centered). That's why I wanted to see the reverse. I thought maybe the obverse was normal but the reverse was off centered and you accidentally posted two obverse pics. As far as whether the coin is counterfeit I am not an authority on Morgans enough to help you with that. Someone else will have to handle that one (and they are around). My only suggestion would be to check the VAM book for 1896 and see if your die crack is listed.
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I can also see it.
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I scanned through the VAM list and didn't see anything pertinent. nlp
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I have had a few catch my eye as well, but Morgans are notoriously off center. I would say that the majority of mine are to some degree. It would not be mentioned under a VAM listing due to it being within acceptable mint standard for the time period. I think it would be more difficult to find one that is perfectly centered.

Have you found any other VAM attributes? Can you get a closeup of the crack over pluribus?
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P.S. I wouldn't worry about it being counterfeit. 1896 P is a very commoon date and wouldn't be worth it to counterfeit. It only carries a value of $160.00 in MS 65.
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