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Specimen Strike - Double Struck In Collar?

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The obverse is normal, so possibly the hammer die was loose?

The entire reverse shows this south to north offset for the second strike.



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You do know it is just machine damage I hope, not a "double-strike(struck) which is a true function, when making Proof coins. MD can bounce in multiple directions and times on the same coin. Don't misuse the term, at least I think that's what you are referring to and not a doubled die.
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Nice!
Its making me dizzy looking at it.
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You do know it is just machine damage I hope


Physically impossible for Strike Doubling to manifest this way, and it's a coin known to be struck twice in production. Therefore, too slowly for MD to happen. Keep in mind, MD is a manifestation of a specific range of die speed and machine condition. Too fast, and there's not enough dwell time for the die to shift. Too slow, and "shelving" won't occur no matter how loose the die is. It'll just do something resembling a conical strike.

The question I want to answer first is, "Can the second strike obliterate the first one this neatly and completely?" If that's the case, then we explore one set of possibilities; if not, maybe others.
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An extreme example of flat field doubling?
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An extreme example of flat field doubling?


That's my working theory, but I want to hear other opinions.
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Don't misuse the term, at least I think that's what you are referring to and not a doubled die.


I wasn't. And, this is not a doubled die... this is a striking error, and most definitely not Machine Doubling.

Perhaps it is you who needs to brush up nomenclature:

http://www.coinbidders.com/Strike%2...0-%20PDF.pdf
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Can the second strike obliterate the first one this neatly and completely?


When it comes to nickel coins, especially nickel dollars... absolutely!! Have a look at other examples in various denominations.

A 1977 25c struck over a 1975 5c
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A 1978 1c struck over 1977 5c
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Then I'm inclined to agree with Altaira, although the offset is rather extreme. Quite the fascinating coin.
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Except the tops of the letters and other devices are not fully struck up, because the first strike had flattened the metal to field level... The letters and beads, are not fully struck...
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