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1913 Wheat Cent... Matte Proof Issue? Or High Grade Unc?

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 Posted 12/11/2017  11:28 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add a dream come four 2009 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Looking for opinions on this 1913 I just Purchased

The rim looks squared off and detail is VERY sharp as per your typical diagnostics for attributing a Matte issue (2 of the 3 things to look for ) I just dont have the coin in hand yet to see the 3rd.

But, while I wait for it, lets stir some things up

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 Posted 12/11/2017  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not an expert with old US coins, and their QC however when you are talking about proof coins, would there not be a higher standard for quality?

this coins shows mis-alligned dies, which might happen, but I would hope not.
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 Posted 12/11/2017  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert on matte proof Lincolns ,but as sharp as this coin is I'm leaning towards Not a proof only for the fact of the obverse rim disorder at 11:00 to 3:00 .
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 Posted 12/11/2017  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has a good chance of being a proof. Regardless, it's a very nice early Lincoln Cent.
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 Posted 12/11/2017  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Condor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks matte to me ...... never seen one off center though
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Looks like a poor matte copy to me. Pressure of strike was too great causing rim finning TBop noted and is slightly MAD. LIBERTY is too close to rim, on new die would be further into field. Date looks rotated CW to me about 5°, rims on reverse don't seem squared enough. Too many suspicions on this one, hope you have return capabilities.
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 Posted 12/11/2017  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice MS Lincoln, IMO.
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One way to find out...send it in for Third Party Grading...along with some company to help absorb the fees.

Nice looking Lincoln!
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 Posted 12/11/2017  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Among other things, I don't like the beard definition in some areas. Suspicious coin.
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Well, I purchased the coin as uncirculated from an ebay seller
I have the same mind set with the MAD look to it.
Either way the coin is SHARP
When I have it in hand I should be able to identify whether or not It's a Matte
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The die alignment issues seem, to me, to preclude calling it a Proof. I'd be keeping it all the same, simply for the scintillating strike.
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I'd be keeping it all the same, simply for the scintillating strike.
Agreed.
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Lovely coin with a great strike ...

For all the reasons described above I'm not going for matte proof ... but nonetheless a nice looking coin.
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Anxiously waiting for you to have the coin in hand.

Pictures of the rim please!

Great coin.....either way.
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Not a proof, just a strong, MAD business strike. NICE COIN still!
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