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Pillar of the Community
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My latest purchase from HJBerk....Please grade (Note: These are the pics off HJ Berks website) Almost looks like NO D to me ?   |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Nice! Weak D, weak reverse, I love them. IMO, the toughest year of the series to grade because of the worn dies. PCGS and NGC grade them just like any other Lincoln, which I don't like. I see clear separation between the cheek and jaw, nice hair detail and in general a decent obverse. VF20-25
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Bedrock of the Community
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Now that is a nice weak D  I would have to agree with BadThad on VF. If I had a Lincoln Cent album with a slot for a 22 no-D, I would put a coin like this in the slot because I have no interest in spending $1000 for a coin struck with really worn dies when this one is not much different. Unfortunately, this is the type of coin that is also frequently sold raw on ebay as a No-D  Edited by biokemist6
05/16/2008 10:57 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Hello I was curious as I read the replies about this coins grade. Does the Lincoln Cent (weak D, no D, weak strike etc.) come under different grading standards than other coins for some reason? I see this a lot. I realize weakly struck coins demand a closer look, but what is, is Correct? If you look at this coins obv. it is obvious it is in much better shape than the rev. Thus the rev. should get the grade. Maybe times have changed but just wanted to mention that. If so, then an F would be max. on this coin if even that. As far as the D, The obv. seems pretty good and if I remember correctly, the MM's were punched after. If so, I see no MM in relation to a weak MM strike versus the condition of the original obv. punch. Just one observation. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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The 1922D is an unusual coin. The vast majority of cents produced were from extremely worn dies. When grading a coin, IMHO, the die state should not be taken into account, only the actual wear. Now, as a hardcore Lincoln collector, I seek coins with early die states and well struck, but I don't grade on those criteria. The trick to collecting/grading Lincolns in understanding the various die states and striking practices by year and mint....it's extremely complicated....but that's what's drawn me to the series.  Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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Valued Member
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Thad,
In my short year working with Lincolns I have seen several what I believe may be weak strike coins from 1919 to 1928. The worst of the bunch were a 1919D and a 1926S. Both of my coins have a nice XF detail obverse but F or slightly better reverse; especially the reverse left hand side where the wheat grains are mushy. Am I getting this right? Is that a "weak strike"?
Thanks,
Alan
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That.s a nice one I would try to talk them down a little and see if they go for it. just because they are a big name coin house don't mean they won't dicker a little  |
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At the top of this section is an article from a former finalizer with NGC and he states that they do grade different years differently because of the dies. He gives an example of 2 different years of Morgans.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Alan, the Denver mint was the worst offender for using worn out dies. Sometimes they also placed them too far apart resulting in a weak strike. The 1919D's are well known for worn dies and so are the 1926S's.
As far as the weak strikes, you can often spot that in the devices, they just aren't raised as much as they should be and some detail in the portrait is not brought to the proper relief. It's easy to mistake this for wear. One hint to look for in a weak strike is planchet scratches on Lincoln's shoulder. Natural scratches on the planchet don't get "smoothed out" from the strike. What you're describing on the left wheat head is either wear or a worn die. One lower grade coins it's tough to differentiate so I tend toward wear. It's more obvious in the MS grades.
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05/26/2008 1:33 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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At the top of this section is an article from a former finalizer with NGC and he states that they do grade different years differently because of the dies. He gives an example of 2 different years of Morgans.
As it should be! Coin grades are supposed to measure wear and overall quality IMO. As I said above though, it's very difficult on grades below XF. That's why you see the 1922D Lincoln's mostly graded G to VF. The vast majority are graded on a "wear basis" and not on die state or strike. |
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Thanks Thad! Got my lesson for this week....and it is good to know.
Alan
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Pillar of the Community
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What's going on below the 'R' in America on the reverse?
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Pillar of the Community
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I cant see that mark in hand..could be on the PCGS slab....I will put it under the QX5 and take a look
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Bedrock of the Community
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What's the PCGS grade on this coin?
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Pillar of the Community
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Sorry...I should have posted that.
They graded it VF30
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Bedrock of the Community
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Excellent grade! It must look even nicer in-hand!
OH...did they give it "weak D"?
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05/28/2008 11:31 pm
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