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Hi guys, long time no see. Here is my christmas contribution for the interested in unusual cob coins in this forum:    The coin weights 26.9 grams and itīs diameter is 37mm. A very interesting specimen in my opinion with crudely engraved reverse coat-of-arms. Edited by coinworldtv
12/24/2017 04:40 am
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Singapore
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The only cob I know is of the corn variety.
But it's a interesting looking coin indeed, a private issue of some kind ?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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As you know, real Cobs can be tough to locate.
I very much like this one. Congratulations.
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Pillar of the Community
 Austria
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A fully legit coin. I remember to have seen a similar one, but I do not remember where.
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United States
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That, in fact, is almost certainly a contemporary counterfeit... completely non-regal individual design elements, and as a whole, not "correct" for any particular mint.
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Pillar of the Community
Austria
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To realeswatcher:
I am in the opinion, that the listed cob above is a regal strike, made from crudely prepared dies, which is nothing unusual for the Potosi mint.
These are rare though as even back then such crude dies would have been used for a short period only.
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The design elements ARE COMPLETELY FABRICATED, unlike any regal version on anything of the Potosi shield-style cobs. Look at the lions and castles in the upper left quadrant of the shield side - what is that?!! Stick figure drawings... Numerous other elements are laughably wrong. Those beads on the obverse look like random pebbles! Then the rim, particularly as it presents on the cross side... Quote:
These are rare though as even back then such crude dies would have been used for a short period only. Huh? This makes no sense. The die here shows design elements that the mint never used, as a study of Potosi styles would show... they should not appear ever, for any amount of time, on ANY die. The engraving seems pretty decent... this is likely an Old World forgery, not of the Americas. It is also clearly of pretty good alloy - not a silver-washed base metal. I wouldn't have to explain to you how those early restrike MTT (like you have up now) are completely different than the mid-1900s modern versions. You're dealing with the same effect here. |
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Mr. "realeswatcher" you seem to be very offensive here.
Please calm down I am trying to contribute to the forum, you are trying to make me bad instead of accepting my opinion.
It is my opinion, I have the coin in my hands, you do not even bother to consider, that all the watching you had on reales is not everything what exist.
There is so much, which you (and I of course) have not seen yet, but it is there and exists.
There are always exceptions in numismatics, which become the most rare pieces after they are recognized by the public.
Before that happens there are many people who would point and say "I never saw one like this, it is fake...".
I have seen this many times.
Please take a step back and allow me to keep my opinion.
I will post a proof of authenticity on my coin as soon as I find one, which also you will have to accept, but now I need to go back to my daily work.
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You can keep your opinion all you want. It's wrong, though. THE... DESIGN... ELEMENTS... ARE... NOT... REGAL! Not even close... and remember, Potosi cobs are a fairly well-studied (and certainly well-collected) series. Nothing else matters beyond that - it then just becomes a matter of speculating where it may have been produced (which perhaps could be hinted at were it from a hoard or similar, which I'm guessing you're hinting at). There is a BIG difference between spouting, "Oh, this is fake because I've never seen one"... and "This is fake because stylistically, it makes no sense for what it's supposed to be". Quote:
I will post a proof of authenticity on my coin Si, I made this moneda. Not my usual work, didn't use the official punches. Decided to express my creative side. Regards, Juan Ximenez de Tapia Ensayador |
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In exactly WHAT period would this be a correct Potosi shield castle & lion? Blue? Cubist? And exactly when did a Potosi crown show THIS for jewels? You recognized to begin with that it was crude... yet for some reason, you can't process that it's TOO crude.  |
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I highly doubt that this coin is legitimate. It looks fake to me. I'm no expert on world coins, but this one looks like a counterfeit.
What makes you think that the coin is legitimate?
Edited by SilverDollar2017
02/14/2018 6:23 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Austria
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I guess I gave realeswatcher something to watch.
A stunning cob coin indeed and a great conversation piece.
I will let you know guys as soon as I find itīs counterpart.
If not then I would name it the "unicorn" cob :-)
Edited by coinworldtv
02/14/2018 7:13 pm
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United States
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Nice that we got a Porzingis name drop... poor gangly Kristaps, snapping like that. Quote:
I highly doubt that this coin is legitimate. It looks fake to me. I'm no expert on world coins, but this one looks like a counterfeit. The conclusion happens to be correct, but there are way too many "weasel words" in there for it to be seen as coming from a strength of knowledge. Did you have a SPECIFIC reason(s)? "Doesn't look right" is a concept loosely rooted in perceiving tangible features... but is WAAAAAYYY too vaguely quantified. And NB, don't fall into this, which there is truth in: Quote:
There are always exceptions in numismatics, which become the most rare pieces after they are recognized by the public.
Before that happens there are many people who would point and say "I never saw one like this, it is fake...". By the way, to be fair, I would guess that more people than not who would be considered cob collectors would accept this coin as some kind of genuine Potosi oddball... or chalk it up to being genuine but from a different mint, or some other silliness. |
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Realeswatcher, thank you for being fair to me, it is very kind of you.
You seem to imply, that quote "...more people than not who would be considered cob collectors..." are silly.
It is your word, I do not think, that this is what you wanted to say. Am I right?
If the coin is genuine (once proven by a recognized theoretical or scientific method) as I claim?
Who would be silly then?
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The conclusion happens to be correct, but there are way too many "weasel words" in there for it to be seen as coming from a strength of knowledge. I have seen real and fake cob coins. I am just stating that I am NOT an expert on any of these cob coins, but here's what I think. The main problem is that the design looks wrong. For example, the crown and jewels you pointed out. They do not look anything like the real crown and jewels on authentic pieces. They look like a poor imitation. The coin is also too crude. I understand that the coin is very old, but that doesn't mean that it has to look crude. coinworldtv, I'd like to see why you think that this piece is legitimate. |
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I will give a proof, when I found one, which is plausible also for the public.
I have done this before and hopefully I will "legitimize" this one too.
It is always hard to identify a new undocumented variety, but it might be also rewarding.
Everything else is just my opinion, based on my experience.
Edited by coinworldtv
02/15/2018 4:12 pm
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