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Valued Member
United States
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I came across this listing on ebay for a 1890-CC Morgan dollar graded by PCGS VF-25. My question is that am I the only one who thinks this coin looks cleaned or could it just be overexposure of light? 112718022024 |
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Moderator
 United States
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To me, looks like maybe it was a pocket piece, and that made the highest parts of the obverse and reverse appear brighter/cleaned. If the grade is valid, I would hope PCGS would have NOT graded it as such if it had been cleaned.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Me thinks it's been cleaned. A coin from 1890 in vf doesn't look like this if it has original skin. It's a tough date. The tpgs let these slide if the cleaning job isn't atrocious. Good eye!
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Valued Member
 United States
304 Posts |
I would hope so too. It just doesn't look right to me at all.
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Valued Member
United States
104 Posts |
Looks like it's been cleaned. My dad was looking through some old boxes and found an 1890 Morgan and asked if it was worth anything. To my surprise its a Carson City in AU! Although something looks off I need to post it
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It certainly appears to have been cleaned but PCGS judged it to be market-acceptable for a VF25 piece. Not a very nice example in my book.
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Valued Member
United States
304 Posts |
You should be able to trust PCGS for what they have put on the label but I guess that's not always the case. For the amount of money to grade coins with them and their supposed prestige they shouldn't be letting coins like this slide.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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For the amount of money to grade coins with them and their supposed prestige they shouldn't be letting coins like this slide. It happens all the time on key dates and scarcities. If you ever start collecting Seated dollars you will quickly learn how widespread the problem it. |
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Valued Member
United States
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The way it was photographed (the lighting) gives it the appearance of cleaning, but I don't believe it is. I also don't think PCGS would let this get by as not cleaned if the true in hand look resembled the photo.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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PCGS had it raw in their hands, examined it with professional eyes, had that grade confirmed, and slabbed.
No matter how good I think my grading talents may be, arguing with that grade from photos is presumptuous.
While I believe this discussion is a good one and well worth consideration I would hope we could be less certain if photos are the only thing we have for those opinions.
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Rest in Peace
United States
10625 Posts |
The angle of the lighting has me wondering if the images are actually scans.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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One way or another, it's not an example I'd want to own.
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Moderator
United States
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It certainly appears to have been cleaned but PCGS judged it to be market-acceptable for a VF25 piece. I agree. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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The picture is highly over-lit or a scan. The back of the slabs only look like that under a spot light or scanner bed. You can make any circulated coin look washed out and cleaned with enough lighting Quote:
PCGS had it raw in their hands, examined it with professional eyes, had that grade confirmed, and slabbed.
No matter how good I think my grading talents may be, arguing with that grade from photos is presumptuous.
While I believe this discussion is a good one and well worth consideration I would hope we could be less certain if photos are the only thing we have for those opinions. I could not have said it any better myself. Edited by basebal21
01/03/2018 01:41 am
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Moderator
United States
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It's difficult to accurately correct the atrocity of overexposure in postprocessing, but I suspect this is more like the coin's actual appearance:   Cleaned? Probably - look at the reeding on the right of the obverse. Apparently PCGS thought it worthy of a straight slab anyways. |
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