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A Bit Of Sorting For Modern Japanese Coins (1870 - 1948)

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 Posted 01/07/2018  08:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I haven't really looked at what Japanese coins I have in my collection. In fact, when I last worked on my website for Japanese coins, I last dated it in 2009 (!) - almost 10 years ago. A fair amount was bought when it was quite cheap back then. Would you believe it if I said I bought a cleaned silver 1 yen coin for just 20 dollars? Mind you - this was when silver was just 5 USD / ounce.

I took some time to sort out what I have and see what duplicates I have. Turns out there's way more varieties than duplicates than I hoped so. The basis of how I arranged it is on a Japanese catalog (JNDA). I found the varieties to be very annoying but I'll leave it as it is for now. There's one major variety that I don't think is documented, that is 1883 1/2 sen.

As this collection is somewhat large, I've split it into three sections to make it a bit earlier to load. Granted the design is quite dated - I haven't figure out what is the best way to present neatly with this amount of photos. I've included two digital albums. One is the original Dansco Japan type set album and the other is my updated version.

Guess I've talked enough - this is the link

http://gxseries.com/numis/japantype...e_modern.htm

Please feel free to post your Japanese coins!
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 Posted 01/07/2018  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those are beautiful coins.
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 Posted 01/07/2018  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really like the way you have displayed those virtual albums.

Japanese coins have got such elegant designs, I must say.
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01/07/2018 09:42 am
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 Posted 01/08/2018  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Always a treat to see some Japanese coins! I have a nearly complete type set from the Tokugawa Shogunate up to the 47 Prefectures series, which I consider too expensive to bother with. I'm missing a bunch of the ultra-rare Tokugawa issues (mostly gold) and the 1870 yen and Trade dollar, plus the Aichi Expo 500 yen. I think I have some photos kicking around, mostly of the commemoratives:

1964 Olympics, 100 and 1000 yen
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1970s commemoratives:
- Expo '70
- Sapporo Olympics '72
- Okinawa Expo '75
- 50th year Showa reign '76
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1980s commemoratives:
- 100th anniversary Cabinet system
- Tsukuba Expo '85
- Seikan Tunnel '88
- Seto Bridge '88
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Showa 60th anniversary 500 and 10,000 yen 1986
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Looks like I stopped there, actually, but I'll eventually get the rest imaged. Fun story - Most of those (except the Olympic issues and the 1986 10,000 yen) were from a single lot; a clueless collector liquidating an old collection on ebay. Won them for a fair bit less than exchange @ 100 yen = $0.90, both because of mis-counting, and counting several 500 yen as 100 yen. It was a once in a lifetime deal, and without it I wouldn't have even considered the commemoratives!

Are you planning to collect the bullet train 100 yen as well? They are still easy enough to get as a whole set.
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 Posted 01/08/2018  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice looking coins Finn
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 Posted 01/09/2018  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Finn - nice lot! I think I bought my commemorative coins rather cheap as well with the exception of the 500 yen... Not a big fan of the prefecture coins to be honest.

The Showa 60th anniversary coin is a nice one - still yet to get an example. I should have a Sapporo Olympics coin somewhere.

I agree the bullet train coins should be on my next list - just figured that since Japanese coins are very easy to obtain, I have been putting them on hold... I haven't got around to collecting everything. I'm spreading myself very thin as I actively collect four different fields (Japan, Korea, China and Russia). I reckon I can easily finish one if I give one up.
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01/09/2018 09:31 am
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 Posted 01/09/2018  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I posted a thread here a handful of months back that a US-based seller was selling the whole set of 7 coins for about $22; not sure if they have any more, or how much shipping to Australia would be (it was free to the US).

Also just heard that Heisei formally announced his abdication to take place early next year, on the 30th anniversary of his accession to the throne. That'll give us a few more commemoratives to seek out, not to mention a whole additional set of circulation coins to collect!

Circling back to your set, are you seeing a different scale pattern on the 1883 1/2 sen? I'd love to see a higher resolution picture here.

Also, where can one find nice BU 1944-45 tin-zinc coins? My examples are passable, but I have never seen any that aren't showing tin pest, despite a catalog value of only a couple dollars each in MS60+.
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 Posted 01/09/2018  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm certain the Shinkansen is a 9 coin set. I still think it's a common set at around 30 dollars but I may be proven wrong some time down the road... At one stage the silver Shinkansen could be bought for around 200 dollars, now it's almost double.

The 1883 1/2 sen variety for some reason has not been documented. I'm quite sure all photos are clickable.

This is the older type
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Newer type
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To illustrate the differences, here are one before and after - 1882 and 1884

1882
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1884
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I'm certain you can tell the number of scales are very difference without the use of any magnifying glass. There's so many absurd varieties in JNDA as such as "die grease" and "die clash" have significantly higher premium.

With regards to the tin-zinc coins, there are still reasonable examples to be found on ebay. I guess the era of assuming one can get nice examples for a couple of dollars is over. Sometimes Krause prices can be grossly wrong. I've hunted one particular coin and had to fork out more than 50-100 times against the supposedly catalog value (!)

Perhaps if you look at your local coin dealer junk coin box lot, you may be lucky. But with all ebay and paypal fees - well I'm sure you can see where they are coming from. If you are willing to fork out a bit more, they are definitely out there. Japanese coins have long been too undervalued and they have been slowly increasing in price for the past 5 years.
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 Posted 01/11/2018  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Check wheatiefan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add wheatiefan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Hello gxseries,

I have always liked you sharing your collection. When I saw it for the first time I probably didn't have any Japanese coins and now I'm a solid Japanocoinophile. For now my goal is a type set 1870-present though I have been always interested in a year set as well. I don't have any gold and those might be forever unattainable.

As for varieties, I have never been interested in the more esoteric ones and don't see that changing. I wouldn't expect a world type coin collector from other countries to care about the different VAMs for Morgan dollars, which I think some of these are comparable to.

The silver one yen coins, for example:
A change in reverse from old type to new type? Of course that's a new type.
Change in diameter from 38.6 to 38.1? Sure, that's a change.
An official stamp on a coin otherwise the same as previous type? I guess maybe since the stamp's official, but ...
Other examples like die variations, Grease Filled Die, etc? No way.

In fact, I never considered the change from one emperor to another on a coin otherwise the same to be a different type. Some catalogs list these as three types - the old emperor, year one of the new emperor, and all subsequent years of the new emperor. In my mind they're all the same. But that might be straying too far off topic.

So I guess we all have to decide when a variety constitutes an actual different type worth collecting or not. In these cases I like having the catalogs to show the differences but we must make our own decisions. I know that you like looking at coins very closely and finding varieties whereas I'm not that way.

As for display I like to see the denominations kept together so you can see the change over time. Imagine 1 yen from 1870-2018. Over time some like the sen would disappear and larger denominations would appear. In a website this would be easy to do scrolling up-down or side-side. Not that I am recommending you do so but if I were to ever finish my website this is how I would display them.

Now for a picture, I have always liked the background texture on the obverse of these:

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 Posted 01/12/2018  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For my collection, I also collect types, but within the context of each emperor. Thus I have the "rising sun" for both Meiji and Taisho, the Imperial crest (or whatever the official name is) for Taisho and Showa, and modern circulation coins for Showa, Heisei, and I'll add another for the next emperor. I do have some duplicates for first year coins of Taisho and Heisei, but just because I like them, and Taisho doesn't even fill a whole 20 page binder.

I also collect the design changes, specifically the square/V scales on early coppers, and I have both wide and narrow rim 1 sen coins, but just to balance it out. I don't have the two minor size difference 1 yen coins, mainly because the earlier 1 yen are very expensive. I don't collect the three weight standards of the WWII aluminum coinage, either, because I don't want a full page of just those coins.

I always find it interesting how different collectors take entirely different approaches to the same collecting theme!

And I agree, those 5/10 sen coins are amazing when in high grade!
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