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1914 S Wheat Back Doubled Die Obverse?

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Have yet to really find another to compare with. To me it looks like similar doubling to that of the 1917 p but flowing opp direction.

You can see it here in the 9 and the 4 also shows on the 1s
But couldn't get good enough pic and of them, will try again tho.

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Shows best on Trust, can't be sure if any is on the rest of the motto. If there was they have worn down by now.


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Sorry, it is not a doubled die. This is Machine Doubling. The coin was altered after the strike by the machine.
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Had me a lil curious bc almost all other mds I've found or seen had md on the mm as well. Kinda looks like some in the pic but looking at with in hand there is no rpm or md at all the mm.
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There may or may not be MD on the mintmark depending on how the die moved during striking.

I really can't tell from the pics, but I am leaning toward MD as coop said.
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Tough to be certain with those photos but the shift appears to be MD.
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looks like MD.
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Agree MD.



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If it were a doubled die, I would expect to be larger than normal, But it is just normal sized and the affected areas reduce the size to even smaller. On these examples below concentrate on how the devices are enlarged on these doubled dies:
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The doubling of the above coins devices were enlarged on the die. Thus the term Doubled Dies

On machine doubled coins, the dies are normal sized devices. The areas most new collectors look for is the area that altered after the strike. This alteration reduces the sizes of the devices.
Machine doubled:
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So note on the examples below how the devices are reduced in size with Machine Doubling.
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On incuse design, the devices enlarging and reducing change to the opposite way of view them: On the ATB Quarters on the reverse, the devices inside the ring on the reverse are incuse. That means they are raised on the die, and sunk in on the coins. This happens on different coins from time to time. Nut when the raised devices on the quarters get Machine doubled either before or after the strike, the devices become enlarged:
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Also the EPU on the Shield cents are incuse as well as the VDB is on the Lincoln Cent coins obverse. (1918-2018 and forward)
This occurs about 70% of the time in minor to major degrees. So don't think these are doubled dies. They are machine doubled examples on incuse designs. (know what you are looking at before you purchase a doubled die on these) I've yet to see on that is a DDR on these.
coophome= double die VS machine doubled
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