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So this coin looks cleaned to me. I see hairlines all going in one direction (more or less 11 o'clock / 5 o'clock orientation on obverse; less so on reverse), and it looks like it was re-toned post-cleaning http://r.ebay.com/4yVDoYwhat do others see (please don't just be snarky and say "junk"). To be a savvy collector, I feel we should all avoid cleaned coins. Some folks say they don't mind them. For me, buying only original looking coins is a BIG part of my hobby. I don't want scoured, dipped, whizzed, shined, spat on, baked, cooked, or otherwise doctored coins. If I add a coin to my collection I want it looking like it would have in someone's pocket the last day it was in circulation! I want that connection to the time period of usage, to have that intangible sense of history intact within the coin. To me, naturally toned silver coins are both pleasing and valuable. "Originality" matters. What do other collectors think? Thank you. *** Moved by Staff moved to a more appropriate forum. ***Edited by one_fine_dime
01/24/2018 4:54 pm
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Does look like it got the lemon treatment, to dull it after a dip/wipe. That's the impression I get, may be way off. But ya, see the hairlines, raises some flags. Now this could be an old cleaning too. It will be hard to find one raw, in EF/XF that has its original skin. My personal thoughts are if you want a original skinned coin, buy TPG, pay the piper for it. I don't, can't afford to, plain and simple. If that hole gets filled, it'll be just about whatever I get ahold of, even damaged if a high dollar coin. Why my Lincolns are about done except the 09SVDB. Now this dime, wouldn't buy it, just plum don't like the coin or price IMHO...? |
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Yucky. Dipped to death. Then scrubbed. Then dipped some more.
I detest cleaned coins. Unless you really know detection methodology to catch the majority of cleaned coins, you will get a few no matter how good you get.
Buy NGC and PCGS. Problem solved 99.97 percent of the time.
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Well then this coin would not fit into your collection nor mine . Looks like it was cleaned with Brillo .  |
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Good insights. Unfortunately, the more I look, the more I see nothing but cleaned coins. I prefer to build up a sufficient skill to discern these and stay clear of them. But in many cases very limited options are left for original XF grade specimens other than slabbed coins. So you may very well be right, maybe I need to start considering slabs more. My goal was to put these in a Dansco album. Cracking out slabs just seems like a waste.
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I really, really hope his sewing machines are in better shape. And he knows more about fixing them than grading coins... AU... gack...
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Unfortunately if you need such a coin for a collection, you may not have a lot of choices. So many people think a coin will sell faster if cleaned. And also unfortunately they do. ebay is so full of cleaned coins you sometimes just don't have a choice unless you don't have other sources. |
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(please don't just be snarky and say "junk"). It is junk. |
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The point is for you to say what you see on the coin to explain why you think it is junk.  |
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Someone ruined a very nice coin. You can see remnants of the old 'dirt' in some of the letters on the reverse as well as the 's' mint mark.
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I am pretty sure that is a metal detected coin. They often have hairline scratches from soil movement or wiping off the dirt when they are dug. They also often appear as if they were dipped, I believe this is from acidic soil.
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 Metal detecting would explain the dirt remnants. The hairline scratches(if indeed it was metal detected) were likely caused when the detectee rubbed the dirt off of the coin. I hate it when people on youtube do that to silver coins!  |
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The point is for you to say what you see on the coin to explain why you think it is junk. How strange. I typed out an explanation about the coin, but I seem to have deleted it in error. It looks like it has been harshly cleaned. Possible found by metal detecting. I don't like its appearance. |
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Unless the seller has really good pictures, it's a big gamble to buy raw coins online (and even then, some sellers doctor their pictures). I think the one you posted is an easy open and shut case that it's been cleaned though based on all the small scratches. For any coin of much value, I highly recommend buying one graded by a TPG so you don't get burned. One caveat to that, is that they usually won't details old classic coins... so even if the grade is say an XF45... it might really be an AU50 that was cleaned. I find that to be extremely annoying, if a coin is cleaned it should get a details grade. I don't know why they use that tactic on the older coins. |
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I know what you're saying about "original" wear and toning. It adds dimension and character to a coin. It's like a beautiful woman with no makeup.
But I would disagree about completely avoiding cleaned coins. I believe you can find cleaned coins that are not so obvious. I have a few 19th century coins in my collection that may have been cleaned at one point. But I don't need to know and I don't want to know. If it was cleaned, the cleaning is not obvious and the coin looks very nice. And the non-collectors I show it to don't know and are fascinated that such an old coin exists.
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How strange. I typed out an explanation about the coin, but I seem to have deleted it in error. It happens.  Quote:
It looks like it has been harshly cleaned. Possible found by metal detecting. I don't like its appearance.  |
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