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Pillar of the Community
 Spain
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Just arrived and was pleasantly surprised,as it has a lot more detail than I thought due to the sellers photos (mine aren't that much better!) Commodus AR Denarius.Rome mint 186 AD 1.87gr 17mm Obverse-M COMM ANT P FEL AVG BRIT, laureate head right Reverse- P M TR P XI IMP VII COS V PP, Concordia standing front, head left, holding standard in each hand.CONC MIL (below) Paul   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7066 Posts |
Lovely coin, Paul. Some very impressive engraving here, particularly on Concordia.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2843 Posts |
Very nice. I can't help but think of shish-kabobs in Concordia's hands.
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Moderator
 United States
23731 Posts |
Very nice example, really like the looks of the bust.
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Pillar of the Community
 Spain
2752 Posts |
One of the experts here has "rightly" pointed out that the weight of this coin is too low!I stupidly didn't see or check this when it arrived as its from a reputable dealer who I've used for years and just copied over the description.
My scales were at the menders but managed to find a friend who had some and the weight flips between 1.98 and 1.99 grams at least a little bit higher than I thought...But it is still the thinnest of the denarius I own.
In hand the coin looks fine ..in my opinion..edge is good and the surfaces...
It's quite a rare coin and have found one on CoinArchives.com it's 3.4 grams
It's RIC 126
Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance Paul
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6130 Posts |
It doesn't look fake to me... perhaps silver crystallization? I'd use extreme caution when handling it.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
1194 Posts |
first thing : the coin looks very authentic and is IMO autenthic . There are 2 possibilities : it is a legal coin with a bad weight , what happened , or it is a well conserved fourree , what happen ed also. Here a comparable coin in my collection ,bought as a fourre from Solidus Numismatik a few years go :17 mm , 2.67 gr ,6 h , RICIIIM441 . I think these fourrees were mostly made with dies , stolen from the mint or fraudly made . albert  |
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
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Thanks for the reassurance guys... The fact of the coin being fake wouldn't really be the problem. The problem would be that I hadn't spotted it. This has been a good shake up for me, as I've always gone with the feel and style of the coin visually.So now I'll balance that out with some proven data aswell  Quote:
perhaps silver crystallization? Is this curable in any way? Or is it progressive? Quote:
or it is a well conserved fourree I don't know much about fourrees.. Are there any checks I can do in house without destroying the coin? Thanks again for your time Paul Edited by Palouche
02/09/2018 4:52 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
1194 Posts |
I was thinking about your coin this afternoon in the car . With this weight , it could be a quinarius . I ve checked in RIC , but there is only a denarius with this legend , but RIC has 100 years . The denarius is quoted C , RICIII,126.Maybe there is a more recent work for Commodus . If I find anything , I ll let you know .
For the legend : Marcus COMModus ANToninus Pius FELix AUGustus BRITannicus , Pontifex Maximus TRibuniciae Potestati XI IMPeratot VII COnSul V Pater Patriae .albert
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
1194 Posts |
sorry , I forgot : CONCordia MILitum . albert
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
2752 Posts |
Thanks Albert... Quote:
it could be a quinarius ..That would be cool! I've been searching and searching...he certainly minted quinarius but I can't pinpoint it to this coin..And as you said there doesn't seem to be much info out there related to the mintage of his quinarius..I will keep on looking but if you find anything please let me know.. Tomorrow morning I will try and post some edge shots using another denarius of acceptable weight ie 2.8grams for comparison lets see if anything shows up.. Thanks for your time.. What is the diameter of a quinarius? My coin is 17mm dia.. Paul I have found a few serious collectors who have coins that are under weight and they all seem to attribute them as light weight denarius for example... Commodus, 177 - 192 AD Silver Denarius, Rome Mint, 18mm, 1.89 grams Obverse: M COMM ANT P FEL AVG BRIT P P, Laureate head of Commodus right.Reverse: APOL MONET P M TR P XV, Apollo standing right resting on column, arm over head, COS VI across field. RIC205  |
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
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Here are some edge shots...looks good to me... Paul  |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
1194 Posts |
Looks good to me to , the sizes for a quinarius are : about 1.8 gr , 14 - 16 mm , as your coin is a little heavier and bigger , I think it is an contempory fake denarius , in fact no fourree , because I think it is a silver coin . albert
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