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I was going through some of my 1893 large cents trying to find some good grades and also look for DP 9's and 3's. I come across this one I have the TP9 and I think 3 different type DP9's it looks like maybe a doubling starting below the 9 the 3 is also doubled top right. Not real sure about the 9 looks like doubling start or die clash? I have never seen this one before anyone else what are your thoughts comments picture's    |
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There are two major 9/9s for the 1893. This is one of them. Here is a MS example. They are characterized by a sloped 3 with a die clash through it. It is the scarcer of the two and not well known...   Edited by canadian-varieties
01/28/2018 6:26 pm
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I have some a couple more picture's of the DP9's I have I thought I had another but can't find it right now   |
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Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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Edited by okiecoiner
01/29/2018 06:36 am
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Just to clarify, I meant that there were two major 1893 DP9s, okiecoiner just posted a TP9 (or Quad 9) that's a different topic...
btw very interesting that PCGS chose to identify the TP9 or Quad 9 but hasn't bothered recognizing either of the DP9s.
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I have 3 TP9's 2 of them have a DP3 and 1 with out I have 4 DP9's 1 with a DP3 and 3 without and 1 with only a DP3
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Great pic's . thx for the easy reference
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Are there 2 different 1893 reverse dies with the triple punch 9 or could the repunched 3 not show up on some because of die or coin wear?
If there are two dies, are there any other markers to distinguish the difference?
I know there are at least 2 obverse dies paired with the triple punch 9 reverse. One has a die crack between the I of DEI and the G of GRATIA. The other has a die crack at the N of REGINA. I always assumed they were the same Triple Punched 9 reverse. Maybe not?
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Edited by papeldog
01/29/2018 11:39 am
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Nice coins! I can't imagine however that you can have two different triple punched 9 reverse dies... that would mean that they went to re-repair a repaired die...  Edited by canadian-varieties
01/29/2018 11:45 am
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Thank you papeldog!
Those sure do look like two different dies. That marker at the stem of leaf 5 is a good one to look for. I'll have to take another look at mine.
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After checking out my triple punch 9's, all of mine with both obverses have the same reverse, like the one of yours without the repair to the stem of leaf 5. I noticed there is a circular die crack going up through the right bottom of leaf 5 on those. I can see it on your photos also.
I don't see the die crack on your photos of the other reverse with the repair to the stem.
Good observation on the stem 5 difference papeldog!
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01/29/2018 8:14 pm
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I will look at mine but, quite frankly, bending over my table with the microscope is killing my back. I have, I think, 5 of the Q/P'd 9's and 23 of the DP'd 9's..... I quit saving them since I had so many of each type. I even sold 2 of each type to a fellow collector over 10 years ago. One of the holders on the Q/P'd has a note "no D/C at Dei or Canada". Four of the DP'd 9 holders have the note "D/C at Dei and last A in Canada. I'm sure that I put these in holders 10-15 years ago and don't remember the eccentricites of the varieties. I'll try to look tomorrow after I take muscle relaxers for the back. I'm relatively certain, that when I put them in the holders, I didn't look at the other markers for the date/variety. I'll post what I find. I DO KNOW that I'd marked the QP's at the time with the Griffin # (GR-198), which is an R-8 on his scale.
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Phil310 and Okie the coin with repair to stem of leaf 5 has no die crack coming up through the bottom of leaf, but at the top slightly to the left there is a small die crack running parallel with stem 4 towards the rim traces at leaf 1 and a different one running up through leaves 4+3 like you mention different die crack
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The only reason that I would have put anything concerning D/C's on my holders is that we were taking an informal survey on the old CCRS and discussing the topic of the '93 RP's. And how many had D/C's and how many didn't and which of the 5 (maybe 6) types of RP's (RP'd, TP'd & QP'd) had D/C's. I think I remember the general subject topic, but not the specifics and it was started by Brad Gravestone, a Vicky variety rebirth semi-pioneer like myself from the 1990's.
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