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Bedrock of the Community
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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why? Did it go past your limit, or the coin itself? I sure wouldn't mind having that in my type set.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
11881 Posts |
can't believe it straight graded at NGC. seems to stretch the limits of what is considered market acceptable.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/02/2018 9:29 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks heavily cleaned and/or polished to me. It really bugs me when TPGs straight grade such obviously cleaned coins. A big reason to buy a slabbed coin is so you know it's authenic and not cleaned so this practice on older coins is very deceptive to the buyer. I guess 90%+ of pre-1900 coins are cleaned so maybe they straight grade so coins in their holders seem more valuable.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That's definitely not market acceptable. I can't figure out how the graders at NGC could miss this.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That's definitely not market acceptable. I can't figure out how the graders at NGC could miss this.
Always remember that the grading companies have an advantage. They had the pleasure of viewing this coin in hand. We do not. When put under harsh light, issues will be exasperated. You can scream at the top of your lungs about it being harshly cleaned, but without viewing it in hand, I tend to side with grading companies. NGC deemed this coin as market acceptable after viewing it in hand. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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There's a reason the coin sold way under market, not only is it hideously ugly, it's been harshly cleaned. Shame on NGC.
If this is "market acceptable" then I must not be part of the market since I sure don't consider it acceptable to be in a straight-graded holder.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The seller says it's beautifully toned...that's good enough for me!  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'm not a big fan of NGC, but I would bet it's not as bad as those pictures are making it look. That said the grade does seem to be a bit generous.
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Canada
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.Always remember that the grading companies have an advantage. They had the pleasure of viewing this coin in hand. We do not. When put under harsh light, issues will be exasperated. You can scream at the top of your lungs about it being harshly cleaned, but without viewing it in hand, I tend to side with grading companies. NGC deemed this coin as market acceptable after viewing it in hand Though I see where you are coming from I have to disagree. There are so many red flags on this coin visible just from the photos (I.e. the uneven surfaces, uneven color, uneven wear.) Pretty much uneven everything. And considering the price it sold for I would say the other people (buyers) noticed that as well. Lots of things that don't look to be from average circulation. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here are the photos for the record.   |
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Rest in Peace
United States
17900 Posts |
 with Mike. Eye appeal is the problem, not the technical grade. Grading from any photos is no comparison to in hand grading. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3210 Posts |
I've noticed one thing common with some pieces with NGC. Note the location of the seller. Sarasota, FL. Hmmm I wonder where NGC is....you guessed it Sarasota. I've noticed they've been more than generous with several coins that originate on ebay from Sarasota. You wonder if there is any hometown bias going on? It is very possible local shops and dealers drop the coins off and get an extra benefit because they're local. Wouldn't surprise me at all if this was the case. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Whatever the reason, a most unappealing coin.
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Moderator
 United States
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Not sure how I feel about this one. It is not "growing on me" like they typically do, so I would probably pass even though it was within my budget.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4211 Posts |
That would get a pass for me also. Yuck!
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Posted 02/02/2018 9:08 pm
