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 Posted 05/26/2008  03:10 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dcv to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Recently, in this forum and from other Internet resources, I have seen several references to the use of three staples to close a 2X2 cardboard. When I first started using them, I originally tried three staples and several of the coins wanted to slide upward. I started putting a 4th staple in the top assuming that everyone must do it that way. Now it appears that may not be the case.

The only problem I encountered using four staples was the top staple being in the way of any writing or labeling.

My questions are:

Is there some numismatic reason, other than the staple being in the way of labeling, that most people seem to use three? ....or is it just to have room to write and 25% less stapling and staples?

When using three, is there any trick to getting then to stay centered and not slide up?

Will they just settle into place on their own eventually?
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 Posted 05/26/2008  04:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi DCV, welcome to the forum. I really think it is personal preference. I use four staples on my 2x2s. As you say, three can allow the coin to move.

However, I use the self stick lighthouse 2x2s for display in my albums. No staples gives a cleaner look and no damage to the pages when inserting and removing them.
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 Posted 05/26/2008  05:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks latman. I just looked up the Lighthouse 2x2's. I didn't know they existed and they look terrific for the albums. I noticed that they have a small semicircular tab on the top. I assume that is for ease of removal from album pockets? Thanks so much for the tip. I will be ordering some with my next supply order.
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Yes the tab helps to remove them. There are other self stick 2x2s, but the lighthouse ones are superior, in my opinion. They have a sort of "flexible" centre section that doesn't have any sticky stuff on it that rises up over the coin, creating a better fit. Bad explanation I know, but you will see what I mean when you get some. And they always stick first time, every time. Some of the others can come apart, very distressing to see a nice coin stuck to some sticky stuff.
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 Posted 05/26/2008  07:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also if you use a flat cinch stapler

it helps prevent scratching of other coins.

a bit more pricey than a regular stapler but well worth it.
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 Posted 05/26/2008  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day,
the mylar allows a bit of stretch.
When selecting a 2x2, it has to be the correct diameter, but you have to allow for the thickness of the coin as well.
My flat-clinch stapler cost less than $10, new. It uses ordinary staples: it just clinches* them differently.
[*first time in my life that I've used "clinch" as a verb: isn't it amazing what coin-collecting teaches us ?].
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 Posted 05/26/2008  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I asked someone in my coin club who always only used three staples, why he didn't use a fourth one to stop the coin from riding up. He simply said, "Oh. I never thought of doing that".

As for staples, I use an ordinary stapler, and a pair of pliers to clinch the staples down.

Edit to add: it's a No. 10 stapler, with the smaller-than-normal staples. Small staples leave more room to write stuff.
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I switched to Mylar flips and an impulse sealer after damaging a nice coin removing it from the cardboard 2x2 one scratch from a staple can knock hundreds of dollars of a coins value........
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G'day Richard,
never heard of an "impulse sealer" before.
Stories abound of self-sealing @X@ becoming self-unsealing, so experienced users put a couple of staples in them. I use the non-adhesive: cheaper, & re-usable.
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Wow! Lots of good advice! Thanks to all who replied. I just purchased a Max Flat Clinch stapler last week and absolutely love it. It uses the mini staples which I also like.

Since my original post, I realized that I tend to gravitate toward putting more coins in individual 2X2s rather than tubes, because I like to look at them. To be honest, most of my collection was inherited over 10 years ago. The coins were stored in boxes for all that time where they sat because I was certain I was going to just sell them all one day and I was dreading the task of inventorying and cataloging them. When I finally forced myself to get started last month, it was actually looking at them that made me realize that I liked them and found myself interested and not wanting to part with most of them.

Thanks again everyone...great food for thought!
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 Posted 05/27/2008  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mostly said. But here is my 2 cents. If you use the proper size 2x2 for each coin, very little movement is possible. I use only 3 staples per 2x2. Put close to the plastic center if possible. If you don't have a stapler that flattens the staples, use a pair of pliers to flatten them. If you have a swingline stapler, you may have one where the end plate, where the staple strikes, is turnable. This allows for a flat staple. I don't see any problems with coins moving at all with 3 staples. Note put one at the bottom, one each side but a little higher than the center and turned in an angle similar to the circle of the coins opening.
Of course you could just put some glue on the coin before you close the 2x2. I hope you know this is a joke.
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 Posted 05/27/2008  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sandpaper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I been wondering about what I did, namely, I removed all staples in all my 2x2's and used scotch tape to seal all three edges. Can the rest of the world be wrong?
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 Posted 05/27/2008  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jays-Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doesn't the coin slide a lot with the tape? Doesn't it stick to the tape?
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They dont move at all, and air cant get in. I just put the middle of the tape on the edges and folded both sides down. It took a couple of hours, to do like 30. I was going strong so I then separated and taped up all the mylar flips. They were driving me nuts knowing they were open to the air and always ready to fall out.
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 Posted 05/27/2008  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sandpaper, Like Jays-Dad, I find it surprising that the coin stays put. You said you "removed all staples in all (your) 2x2's and used scotch tape to seal all three edges". Are you saying that after you removed the staples you left the coin in the same 2X2 and retaped it?....Or started ovr with new 2x2's.

The reason I ask is that what I am really wondering is if the coins are staying put because a pocket is already stretched into the Mylar from the time during which staples held it tight.

So, I guess what my question boils down to is:
Have you tried the tape with a fresh new 2x2 and if so, was it hard to get the tape on and did the coin stay in place? I just tried it with one of mine (a nickel) and I will be the first to admit that I will never win any awards for manual dexterity, but I was all thumbs and when done, the 2x2 bulged a little on the center and the coin slid readily. Not your experience?
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I agree with the tape on the edges method. It's way to late for me to do this though. I have thousands of 2x2's and all with staples. The tape method is a little on the slow side since you have to measure out each piece of tape. There should really be little to no movement of a coin if the proper sized 2x2 is used. Just no room for it to move. I've found that different manufacturers of 2x2's have slightly different tolerences in the space for the coin. For example I've got many Nickel sized 2x2's where the Nickel barely fits in the spot for them. Then there are others where they are almost large enough for quarter. May be where I buy them but the Nickel ones are the worst in clearances. I would suspect if you just tape the edges and use the proper sized 2x2 the coin will just have no where to go.
Of course as I said all mine are closed with staples.
As to air getting to the coins, tape would or should be the best. If you staple your 2x2's, try this. After you staple them shut, put them to your mouth and blow into the edge. If air goes through, so will other gasses.
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