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Crusader Gold Bezant

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 Posted 02/10/2018  08:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add xxmarkabyx to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good day everyone,
I'm interested in collecting the gold bezants that we're struck in imitation of the Islamic coinage of the time. I curious: does anyone see anything wrong with the coin in this link? I'd love to know a weight, and the edge looks a little iffy... thoughts?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Crusader-S...AOSww85aedhc
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 Posted 02/10/2018  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ItsDaBunnyYT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FAKE 100%
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Is there anything specifically shouting fake to you? I emailed the link to Allen Berman, who knows crusaders quite well, and he mentioned that his gut was that it's real... this is s toughie!
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 Posted 02/10/2018  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't jump out as fake to me at all, would love to see why you think this piece is fake?
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Thanks Jdmern, it's not so much that it jumped out as being fake to me, as I was just being a skeptical ebay coin buyer... I thought that the "calligraphy" looked a little thick, and the rim almost looked raised. I'm pretty new to this type, which was why I figured I'd post here to get other opinions. I appreciate your reply!
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 Posted 02/10/2018  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add travelcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NO returns and where does it say Guarantee of Authenticity?

I'D STAY AWAY

Do a lot of research on what you want to collect first. Then buy and bid with confidence.

If I could have only followed my own advice when I got started.
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Don't my area of collecting, but from what I've seem of genuine examples I see nothing that would indicate this is a fake. Looks like a nice genuine example to me.
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 Posted 02/10/2018  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxmarkabyx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for the advice. Travelcoin: I do have the book on crusader coins, and have done some reasearch, I just never get to the point where I feel like I have quite enough knowledge. Echizento: thanks for your opinion, I appreciate it!
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Here is a book in PDF form that you might find interesting.


http://www.numismatas.com/Forum/Pdf...rusaders.pdf
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Quote:
Is there anything specifically shouting fake to you? I emailed the link to Allen Berman, who knows crusaders quite well, and he mentioned that his gut was that it's real... this is s toughie!


Well He said this coin below was "possibly real" and to send it to PCGS so.. It seems unlikely that he is an expert on these..
Crusader-Gold-Bezant
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Thanks again everyone for the responses. Echizento, I found a similar example of the one on ebay listed on page 163 of the book you linked. What a great resource. If you have a chance to try and match them up, I'd love to hear what you'd have to say.
Arnoldoe, I can't say I know anything about that coin you posted. Is it an obvious forgery? Does it have a connection to crusader pieces that I'm missing?
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The coin looks a close match to style and detail of the second coin in the book. I still say the coin is genuine.
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