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I was surprised to run into this coin and I thought I would never see one again so I scooped it. This CBHD is a Rarity 5 Overton 102 (O-102) variety that is estimated to have 31-80 surviving examples. The 1808 CBHD is not rare with over 1.4 million struck, but this variety is considered rare. Thoughts on grade and problems as always appreciated. Thanks!    This variety can be attributed from this attribution guide here: 1808 T-I Alignment categories: http://bustieguide.com/overton.php?d=1808The 1808 Overton 102 has a unique reverse motto T-I alignment at T+4. Fortunately, there is only one variety that has the T+4 alignment which is this variety. This diagnostic alone verifies the die pair attribution for this coin, but there is another.  This variety has a couple of other variety diagnostics that are listed here: http://bustieguide.com/item.php?d=6The second diagnostic is that there are crosslines inside the lettering in "LIBERTY." This diagnostic was inconclusive in this coin because it has worn down too much.  The third diagnostic that is unique to this 1808 CBHD is that the reverse has a raised dot at the shoulder of the eagle, adjacent to the shield as per the coin image below.  Excited to have scooped this rare coin variety. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/18/2018 2:50 pm
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Remarkably nice surfaces for the level of wear, it should go G04. The PCGS Trueview piece at AG3 is not close to as nice as this one. Nice buy. Here's the PCGS AG3 for reference: http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/CoinIm....aspx?s=6090 (scroll to the bottom of the page) Edited by BH1964
02/18/2018 3:00 pm
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Original G-4. That is a real true R-5 that's never been diluted. Slab and off to Heritage  |
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Lovely coin and nice lesson for us on the variety attribution ... do appreciate that knowledge.  I'm going full rims VG08 ... best of wishes if you choose to submit this to a TPG. |
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Great pickup! Is there any sign of the diecracks that are seen in O-102a?
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G-04, wouldn't be surprised at G-06. Very nice!
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Is there any sign of the diecracks that are seen in O-102a? Thanks! I don't see the diagnostic diecracks, especially at S[tar]7. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/19/2018 10:59 am
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The O-102a is a variety of the 1808 CBHD that is Rarity 2, 500-1000 known. The O-102s is characterized by having a lot of die cracks. The page that describes the difference between the early state O-102 and late state O-102a is here: http://www.maibockaddict.com/1808-o...dollar.shtmlThis page indicates that the finest known O-102 is an XF-40 sold by Heritage at CSNS Chicago in 2016. Apparently the information on this page is a little outdated as PCGS appears to have certified an xf45 example:  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/19/2018 11:31 am
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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