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I have noticed over the past 10 years or so that a lot of BU Lincolns have small, black blotches or other small, dark smudges on what would otherwise be very nice surfaces. These spots are seen even on coins that are right out of BU rolls. It is just rather frustrating to search a BU roll for a really nice, high-grade coin, and to find one that is scratch -free but covered in those small black dots. So, my question for everyone is what are those dots and how do they get on there just after mintage? Edited by Archraz 06/04/2008 12:36 pm
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I even noticed it on a few Copper Cents, like my BU 1974-S has spots. I don't know how mine got on mine but yours I do know what happened.
The coins since 1983 have been composed primarily of Zinc. Zinc "bubbles" under the surface so those spots are where the zinc has bubbled.
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Really zinc bubbles? hmmm. These look more like oil spots or something of the sort on the surface. But seriously, take a look at the surfaces of still BU pennies in circulation from 2007& 2008. Most of these coins have the small, black spots.
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I know what Archraz is talking about and I also know what zinc bubbles are. I'm not sure what causes the black spots but hopefully one of the chemists here can give us a hand.  (zinc bubbles)
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arthrene-yeah, those definitely look more like zinc bubbles, and not at all like the black spots. Honestly I just opened a BU roll yesterday and it just seemed that every coin inside was just covered with those small black blotches. They really make a nice BU coin not very attractive.
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Think that I've read somewhere that the "spots" are carbon 'spots'..
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The black spots are carbon based organic substances (carbon specks). They get on the coins right from the mint(s) manufacturing and processing. It could be from the metalworking fluid they use, poor handling/storage, human body fluids, etc. It's something Lincoln collectors have to deal with as they happen frequently. The bad thing, they are irremovable, if you do manage to remove them, the coin will be damaged.
So, welcome to my world, I've been complaining about carbon specks on Memorial cents for a long time. I've also said over and over, putting together a high quality Memorial set is VERY, VERY difficult. People think just because there's billions and billions made, it's easy.....yea, if you don't care about quality. The vast majority of them are dinged, from worn dies and have black spots. Even when taken from mint sets, they are normally only about MS62-63 in quality!
I've been working hard on my Memorial series, it's a painstaking process and nearly impossible to find MS65+ quality in every date/mint mark. I'm about the only guy at the coin shows I go to looking through Memorial cents (when I can even find them there). Collectors and dealers don't like them, just not worth messing with in their opinions I guess. I don't care, it's a personal mission for me....to have an ultra high quality (MS65+), complete Memorial set....no spots, no dings and well struck.
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I do know that some of the spotting on Lincolns has been attributed to leftover wash solution. Jarden Zinc produces the blanks for the Mint and then they are washed at the Mint before use. If the residue is not completely removed, the coins spot. Similar situation with the Silver Eagles and milk spots.
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errorfinder, BadThad, & biokemist6- Thanks a bunch for all of the info! I was worried that this query would go unanswered. I figured that it must have been from some sort of fluid at the mint. I am not at all surprised that there is no way to remove them. I guess that a lot of people just don't care enough about memorial cents these days.
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that is why I sold some vary nice sets!
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toniblab- so do you mean that you amassed sets of spot-free coins & sold them? so in essence there is a market for memorials that lack the unsightly spots?
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badthad, I have some price lists from various dealers and was (emphasis on was) appalled at the prices on recent Lincolns in high grade. I think I understand now why they are so pricey. Example: 2007, MS 67 5.00 and up from there.
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Quote: badthad, I have some price lists from various dealers and was (emphasis on was) appalled at the prices on recent Lincolns in high grade. I think I understand now why they are so pricey. Example: 2007, MS 67 5.00 and up from there.
Whoa....that's very high for a 2007! But if it's flawless, I'd consider paying. Just wait, the memorials will get their due some day. My memorial set is about as good as they get.
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yes that is why coin prices mag has a high value on the mem's.i don't know why this is it .is there some thing we don't know yet?one thing I think is happening to the coins is the us gov are pulling the copper pennies for re melting because of copper prices they use there own copper from the old coins they save money in buying the copper.if the gov want to really save money produce the penny for the mint sets and proof sets.there is tons upon tons of pennies made.150 plus billions made after 1982.
Edited by toniblab 06/13/2008 07:28 am
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toniblab- so is the US gov actually actively pulling pre-1982 pennies from circulation in order to melt them down?
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alot of people are now!a copper bag of 5000 coins goes for about what the wheats did years ago 1.5 cents each.or more in some cases.
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