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1909 Or 1909-S Lincoln Cent?

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This one comes from my junk box of 1909 Lincolns. These coins were pulled from circulation in the 1960s and early 1970s. My main interest area is die varieties, but for obvious other reasons, I check the 1909 and 1914 coins carefully.

I paused on this one. Looking with my eyeballs and my 2x2, there is a raised lump beneath the date. Here is the image captured from my digital scope, with a circle added to the second pic to show what made me pause.

The question is: Is this just a garden variety junk box 1909? Or is that an "S" lurking in the field of this well-circulated critter?

Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer!

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Just because I know people will ask, here is the reverse. I don't see anything where a V.D.B. would live.

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Is that the top of a D or a B?
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Sure looks like 1909 to me!
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Sure looks like 1909 to me!

I beleive the op is asking if it is an "S" 1909 Coinfrog

Good eye aristarchus123! It does look like it could be the top half of a "B"
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I would be hard pressed to consider that an '09-S...and the "B" or "D" in VDB is too far over to the left to be the "B"or "D" in VDB.

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The mark on the bottom of the reverse looks like PMD to me. I looked at about every angle possible and in a variety of lighting situations, and couldn't make out anything where a V.D.B. should lurk. At best, this would be a filler '09-S. More likely, it's just a worn out '09.

This is the best I can do to sharpen the image around the "90" and where a mm might exist. I eliminated the colors and blued the image to focus just on the raised parts of the design. It seems to be where a mm should exist. It seems to have a curved top and the start of a descending curve. And it seems to have a serif similar to the triangular serif of the early "S" Lincolns. But that's all I can make out. Without seeing the bottom of an "S" I just can't compare it to the size of an actual 1909 "S" mm. But, like the bank robber in Dirty Harry, "I gots to know."

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Looks like PMD.

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I'm guessing that after another beer it will look like an S
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I'm not seeing it from your photos....
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I'm not seeing it from your photos....

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With well worn coins we (I) often make natural bumps and bruises into valued mintmark ... its natural for our eyes and brain to do so.

Same here IMHO ....
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I'm guessing that after another beer it will look like an S

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If it was an S, it can't be determined now. Same with the possibility of VDB.
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I did the same with my 1914 I saw a D mm I still see the D mm lol but it's so worn eyes will mess with you I see the S in your pic as well but who knows
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I beleive the op is asking if it is an "S" 1909 Coinfrog


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