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1944 D Over S Lincoln Wheat Cent?

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Hello everyone, could you please tell me if this is a D over S? The "S" looks to be a little sideways within the "D".
Thank you for your help.
Jack

1944-D-Over-S-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent? 1944-D-Over-S-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent?
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Oh Great now I have to go back through 793 1944-D's

I tried to lighten and enlarge the pic, but I could not re post it ,,But I can view it in my photo software.

Breens lists a D over S but the S is almost due north of the D about 50% showing above the top of the loop of the D,,Breens #2177

I can see the shape your looking at, but I cant say for sure its an S it certianly has the shape of one,although not the shape of the S used on this year of cent.

It maybe worth a submission to coneca or at least an opinion from them as to attribution.

Hope this helps a little Just to know someone else see's something.



Rick
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Thank you Rick. I wish I could blow the picture up and keep the quality. I thought the S looked a little crooked however I cannot find any pictures of what the 1944 D/S should look like. If you or anyone else who reads this has a picture of one I would be very happy to see it.
Rick, I have been collecting since I was a kid however just recently started into it seriously so please do not laugh at me when I ask who "coneca" is and what in the world is "Breen's"?
Thank you again for your help.

Jack
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Hi Jack

Breens is an encylopedia of US and colonial coins and has a reference for most of the known errors (Die Variations) ,at least at the time of printing, its the resource I used to check your cent against what was known then.

Coneca is an organisation that specialises in new discoveries of error coins and maintains a fairly large collection of information with extremely knowledgeable error guys to look at and attribute new discoveries,

Here is a link to their site !!
http://conecaonline.org/content/icg...butions.html

I have been collecting for sometime but am a really new collector of errors ,around a year someplace, but I enjoy it and find it facinating and stimulating !!

I was able to enlarge the pics within my software and sharpen them to a point, but the link was such that it would not allow me to re post it back into the thread.

I think your coin is worth a little more study IMO, which that and a buck will get you a cup of joe,, but new discoveries are found and why not by you ?

Take care !!
Rick
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There are actually TWO different varieties for the 1944-D over S. Both are pretty easily identified without much magnification.

Here is the first, and most sought after;
1944-D-Over-S-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent?

Here is the second:
1944-D-Over-S-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent?
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Thanks ND

I had no way of posting pics of those !!

its a big help to see them .

Rick
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Thank you both for your help. The pictures are great! I will now see if I can enlarge the picture. How can I post pictures on here like you did ND?

Jack
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ND has a Mircroscope !!!

something I will have one day !!

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Wow, a microscope that takes pictures would be nice. Here is a bigger picture. Let me know what you think?

Jack

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It does appear that you have the OMM #2 Breen #2177

Great find. I would highly recommend that you have Anacs slab this coin. With the designation on the holder, you are looking at a nice premium. Well worth the grading fees.
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I am so excited! This is the first variety coin I have ever found and it is the best 1944 D I have. How do you think this will grade? Sorry about all of the dust. I did not do a very good job at scanning.

Jack

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Looks like the coin has a few hits on it, and the color looks a bit off, but that could be the dust and scan.
Looks like a low AU 50 or 53. It is a bit hard to tell from the pics if the flatness is wear or soft strike. Good details in the hair, but the beard is weak.

I have seen simular with this variety bring as much as $125 to $150 in AU. They tend to sit for a while, but once the "right" collector comes along, they pay strong money for this variety.
Get this coin to ANACS.
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Nice find Jack!!!
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Thank you all! This is so much fun. I will get it off to ANACS as soon as possible. Why ANACS and how much are the grading fee's?
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Hi Jack

Way to go !!!

Your coin looks AU-50 to 53 to me,,

Let us know what it comes back as !!!

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Originally posted by Jack Head

Thank you all! This is so much fun. I will get it off to ANACS as soon as possible. Why ANACS and how much are the grading fee's?


Why? Anacs is the absolute best when it comes to attribution. The others do very little in this area. Anacs also has "no" membership requirements. This is a huge advantage for someone who is not submitting coins on a regular basis.

Pick your service here: http://www.anacs.com/services.html

I would suggest the 5 day, and don't forget to add the $1 for the attribution service.

Make sure that you get delivery confirmation and insure the coin. All said and done, you will have about $30 tied up in the coin and about 8 to 10 days. Weekends do not count towards the 5 day submission, and mailing to and from also do not count.

Once again, let me add Great Find.
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