2005 D Lincoln Memorial Cent / LMC - Doubled Die Obverse / DDO / Doubled Die Reverse / DDR ?

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CinM Valued Member United States 154 Posts	Posted 03/10/2018 6:57 pm Hello everyone. I cannot seem to find any info on verified DDO's for the 2005 D Lincoln Memorial cent. Also, are the reverse upper column areas doubled? ....or is this one a regular strike? Thanks so much for your expertise. Edited by CinM 03/10/2018 7:12 pm Report this Post to the Staff

cookiemonster Pillar of the Community United States 1335 Posts	Posted 03/10/2018 7:02 pm looks shelf like , and holding just right it looks doubled ,I'm going to say md ,but wait for the pro's Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/10/2018 7:20 pm I'm also leaning towards MD. It shows on the right on the date, and left on LIBERTY, which is usually Die Deterioration. But the fields are not affected like Die Deterioration. Note how much wider the Die Deterioration looks than on this coin. So That is why I sticking with MD. Report this Post to the Staff
CinM Valued Member United States 154 Posts	Posted 03/11/2018 1:47 pm Thanks, cookie monster, and coop. ...researching your excellent DD posts coop, before I posted, and still, a no go. I thought since it appears that there are visible corner notches and rounded, instead of flat, doubling that I might have found something. I will keep searching. There may have also been different light sources on the date vs the Liberty images. Would that make a difference? Edited by CinM 03/11/2018 2:42 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/11/2018 3:21 pm If the coin was not from a doubled die, then it will never be a doubled die. Machine Doubling from a normal die, that is altered after the strike by the machine. A doubled die is from a die that has doubled hub doubling on it. (thus the term doubled die because the doubling is on the die) But Machine Doubling can happen on a doubled die. Here is MD on a doubled die: Note arrows on the lower image: So you can have a coin from a doubled die, with MD after the strike. It happens. Report this Post to the Staff
CinM Valued Member United States 154 Posts	Posted 03/11/2018 3:53 pm Thanks, coop! ...but how to tell? :) I wish all DDs were as separated as that 1969-S. I guess what I am also wondering is if light sources can cause an "optical illusion" in photos making it appear that there is rounded doubling where there really is none or could that just be added thickness of elements reflecting light? ...in some of the images 1 and 5 from the post, it looks like clear doubled lines and in others, they can not be seen or it appears that there is MD to an opposing side. I appreciate and admire your patience and willingness to help all of us newbies. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/11/2018 4:23 pm I used to make a lot of side by sides to see how the devices compare in size with each other. Seeing them this way helps you to look where the doubling is, why it is a doubled die and etc. Hope this helps? Report this Post to the Staff
CinM Valued Member United States 154 Posts	Posted 03/11/2018 4:37 pm It does, Thanks so much coop! Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/11/2018 4:54 pm So to make these. You need your coin and a normal image (PCGS has very large images) then crop the images in the same place, to the same size then you can compare them. They are both the same, then they are normal. If there is MD on the devices, you will see if the devices are the same sized, but reduced a bit with MD. If they are larger like the examples above, then post them here. We'll take a look at them for you. Report this Post to the Staff
CinM Valued Member United States 154 Posts	Posted 03/11/2018 9:45 pm Thanks for the advice coop. I have made comparison images and am puzzled by the date one. Lining it up was very difficult. If I lined it up in one place other parts of the image did not line up or were too small to match. So I made an opacity layer in the mix. What am I doing wrong? Thanks for having a look. The top ones are from PCGS Edited by CinM 03/12/2018 03:07 am Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/12/2018 2:11 pm On that year, there were no DDOs from all three mints on Variety Vista. On the reverses from that year all listed ones are on the center of the bays called 'Bar cents.' So your coin is a normal coin with Machine Doubling. Wexler also lists just DDRs for that year and mint mark. Report this Post to the Staff
CinM Valued Member United States 154 Posts	Posted 03/12/2018 2:31 pm Thanks! Report this Post to the Staff
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