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Bedrock of the Community
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Wow. PCGS Price Guide says that's a $900 increase in value (for what it's worth).
I like it, but I am not seeing it at 67+. I think NGC was more accurate in this case.
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I'm unable to judge from those photographs. Appears someone got lucky with the crack out and re-submit game.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Agree. It's the grading game, step right up folks!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks like a 66 to me. PCGS overgraded it in my opinion.
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Bedrock of the Community
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PCGS CAC overrules any picture until definitively proven otherwise. It likely toned in the old holder too which increased the eye appeal and the grade
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'd call it an MS-66+. Too many hits for a 67 IMO.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The nicks on the hat alone knock it of of the Ms-67. Eye appealing or not someone's probably gonna get "ripped".
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
683 Posts |
Actually after a second look, I'd say Ms-65 for this coin would be accurate.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I feel certain that most of us here would be unable grade accurately at very high MS levels, from on screen pictures. At these grade levels, the TPGraders should have it all over us, with the examining advantages that they have, that we don't. (raw, in hand, with a 10x loupe.) We see through plastic, on screen, with photography that is sometimes is less than perfect. Therefore, why can't the TPGraders get it right among themselves?  Often, there are huge value differences at very high grade levels. We pay them to get it right ! I am happy to do on screen grading from VG to MS64, tops. It really bothers no-one, if I get it wrong, although I feel complimented, when others agree with me. We all should attempt to do on screen grading, because it increases our grading skills, and boosts our confidence. |
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I am happy to do on screen grading from VG to MS64, tops.
It really bothers no-one, if I get it wrong, although I feel complimented, when others agree with me.
We all should attempt to do on screen grading, because it increases our grading skills, and boosts our confidence. Though I do agree with what You're saying, the whole "they had it in hand" argument fails when in this scenario there are visible markings on this coin, visible from the photos that would keep that coin away from anywhere near MS-67 (let alone MS-67+). The only way that argument could still hold up in this scenario is if someone argued that those marks aren't there in hand, which I doubt Anyone would. I think this just another example of gradeflation, or gradecreep if you will, something that has appeared with almost every TPG, be it ICCS, PCGS, NGC or otherwise. This is why I've mainly started only considering PCGS for authentication purposes. |
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Australia
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I agree; gradeflation has always presented a low level threat to the TPG industry. |
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Quote:I agree; gradeflation has always presented a low level threat to the TPG industry. Unfortunately the real "victims" of this gradeflation issue Isn't the TPG, but the collectors. |
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The only way that argument could still hold up in this scenario is if someone argued that those marks aren't there in hand, which I doubt Anyone would. Not exactly. 67s can have marks to start, but you can very easily argue that the marks aren't really visible in hand and that heavily magnified digital photographs make them appear a lot worse than they are. |
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Not exactly. 67s can have marks to start, but you can very easily argue that the marks aren't really visible in hand and that heavily magnified digital photographs make them appear a lot worse than they are. Obviously an MS-67 isn't a perfect coin, but the dings I'm talking about are the ones that are visible without even zooming in the photo. These marks, in My opinion and experience would knock any coin out of both the Ms-67 grade and Ms-66 grade. |
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This is exactly what scares me about coins with such high grades. So much more money for something seemingly so subjective.
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