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Help Identify This Ancient Bronze Coin

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Any details on this ancient coin is appreciated: origin, fake, genuine, period?

Diameter: 22.4 mm
Weight: 4.2 g

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I can't figure out what this is. It purports to be Late Roman Bronze (LRB) of Valentinian I but the bust portrait looks more like King George II of England. The lettering also looks very odd, the style doesn't looks right and looks possibly tooled. The coin might be a barbarous imitation, it doesn't look like an official issue to me.
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Ron, I thought exactly the same, but been having foot in mouth problems lately! I know nothing of Barbarous issues, do think the bust looks more like Trump tho...
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Imo, an official issue from Valentinian II of this type: http://www.coinproject.com/coin_det...?coin=326173
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Kurt, do you think it has been tooled? Especially on the bust.
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I'm really not sure Ron. If I had to guess, I would say no. It's hard to tell with so much environmental damage. It almost looks like there is a little bit of a double strike when you look at the lips. Maybe it's my old eyes though.
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The reverse on the OP coin and on the coin linked by Biancasdad are so extremely similar that I almost thought it was the same reverse die.
It isn't, of course, but since they're from the same workshop (4th officina of Alexandria), I won't be surprised if they were actually made by the same die cutter.

As for the obverse, while the bust does look like someone from the 18th century (I'd have guessed Jefferson rather than George II), I suspect that it's just an artifact of the bad preservation, and it originally looked fairly normal for the type.
(So yes, I believe that the coin is official.)

It might be useful to remember that the mint workers in late 4th century Alexandria might not have known much Latin at all (just Greek).
It's good enough that they did even that well with unfamiliar lettering; some coins of Arcadius are missing letters, and it only gets worse later (until the complete switch to Greek).
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