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3 Seleucids - Fake Or Real - "Desert" Patina...

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 Posted 03/26/2018  2:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add PhoenicianX to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
These are the same coins from the same jeweller who offered to sell me the Philip and Tyche coin that I posted earlier. I've managed to identify some of them but can someone please very if these are real? I would highly appreciate the help!

Coin 1 -Antiochos IX, Kyzikenos, "Cupid", 114-95 BC, Uncertain Phoenician Mint
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Coin 2 -Cleopatra Thea and Antiochos VIII, 125-121 B.C
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Coin 3 - Definitely a Seleucid but not quite sure..
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and for scale
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 Posted 03/26/2018  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first one looks iffy, but the other two appear genuine. The patina has been added.
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 Posted 03/26/2018  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Echizento! I might give those a pass then. I don't understand why anyone would go out of their way to apply a "desert" patina...I've been looking at topics regarding this issue and it is simply mind boggling.
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The way I understand why desert patina is popular is because the patina could mean the coin is from the Holy Lands, which tends to draw buyers into paying more money.
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The two tone look emphasises the design elements and is very popular with many collectors, myself included. Making a real solid color coin appear to have that "circulation cameo" often helps the coin sell for much more at auction.
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 Posted 03/26/2018  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for replying moxking.
But wouldn't that applied desert patina, which inherently gives it a two tone look, slightly diminish the value and integrity of the coin? I am assuming that this tampers its condition? Is there anyway to reverse it?
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The coins are all perfectly genuine, most likely the earthen encrustation as well. They were probably cleaned in a tumbler which partly wears away the encrustation, revealing the high points. If you're suspicious, give them a sniff. Faked encrustation sometimes smells of glue.
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