Some Pretty Old Copper Coin...(Ottoman)

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nemanja New Member Serbia (Srbija) 7 Posts	Posted 06/13/2008 10:34 am check it out and please help me... I have many old coins from 18th century, but this one freaks me out... it's been in family for generations, but I can't fit it in any family story... it looks like arabic or turkish copper coin... Image: novcic.jpg 8.37 KB Report this Post to the Staff

nemanja New Member Serbia (Srbija) 7 Posts	Posted 06/13/2008 10:41 am also if you have time check this one from 1830... it's French probably, but what was this coin and who issued it? Image: 1830.jpg 14.91 KB Report this Post to the Staff
stratocaster Valued Member United Kingdom 240 Posts	Posted 06/13/2008 5:00 pm Maybe with bigger pictures I could figure out the first one. There's an ottoman tughra on the obverse, but I can't quite distinguish anything else. It's probably Turkish or Egiptian. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16817 Posts	Posted 06/13/2008 10:30 pm From what I can make out, the top one looks Ottoman, and old - pre-1800's, at least. Is it thin? Ottoman bronze coins were normally quite thick, but their earlier silver and billon ones were quite thin. Better pics will definitely help narrow down the date, and mint city. Your second one isn't a coin, it's a religious medal of some kind. It does appear to be in the French language. From the photo it looks like it's made of aluminium, but if so then "1830" can't be the date it was issued, because they hadn't discovered a cheap way to make aluminium back then. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
nemanja New Member Serbia (Srbija) 7 Posts	Posted 06/14/2008 04:55 am ok, the first one is very thin, I will make better pictures in a couple of days, my camera is not near me at the moment.... and I'm pretty sure it's made of copper... the other one is surely from 1830 as you can see... it's also very thin... and VERY light... thanks for your help... if you find out something else, please write back... ;) Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16817 Posts	Posted 06/14/2008 10:28 am Sounds like the second one is aluminium, so it can't actually be from 1830, because they basically didn't have aluminium back then. The "1830" date probably refers to the foundation of a church, or the date of veneration of a saint, or some such. It may have been made at the centenary (1930) of whatever it was that happened in 1830. The obverse shows the Virgin Mary with the Christ Child; I can't read the reverse legends enough to tell who that's supposed to be. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
nemanja New Member Serbia (Srbija) 7 Posts	Posted 06/14/2008 11:10 am well I've found something interesting about that medal... http://www.chapellenotredamedelamed...com/FR/D.asp http://www.chapellenotredamedelamed...com/EN/D.asp it must be older than 1930. because it's pretty worn out and no one in my family can trace it's origin... Report this Post to the Staff
DCH Pillar of the Community United States 645 Posts	Posted 06/15/2008 6:08 pm I believe the first coin is a Mangir of Suleyman II. Constantinople mint, AH1099, 1687. Report this Post to the Staff
nemanja New Member Serbia (Srbija) 7 Posts	Posted 06/16/2008 04:41 am i don't think so... though it looks similar... I did a little research and Suleyman II tughra is a bit different than the one on my coin... it is surely Ottoman copper coin, but I just need to find the tughra that looks just like the one on the back... Report this Post to the Staff
nemanja New Member Serbia (Srbija) 7 Posts	Posted 06/16/2008 04:43 am btw here is the tughra on my coin... bigger picture... Image: B.jpg 80.62 KB Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16817 Posts	Posted 06/18/2008 10:18 am Hmm, a bit corroded. Can we see a blowup of the other side? It's got the mintmark, and hopefully the year. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
nemanja New Member Serbia (Srbija) 7 Posts	Posted 06/18/2008 11:55 am Here: Image: A.jpg 85.31 KB Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16817 Posts	Posted 06/21/2008 05:58 am OK,I think I've found the Ottoman one. It's definitely Constantinople mint, and I think I can read the accession date 1115, making it a coin of Ahmed III (1703-1730 AD). Probably a para; if so, it should be quite small, 15mm or thereabouts. Listed in the Krause catalogue as KM# 139. This is a "silver" coin, though the fineness is apparently quite variable, so it could look "coppery". The regnal year is marked on these coins with symbols, rather than normal numerals. I believe the symbol on yours stands for Year 7, making this coin date from AH 1121, or 1709 AD. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
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