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Coin Newbie With A Old Coin? British?

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 Posted 04/28/2018  6:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hokumschool to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I can't find this sucker anywhere online, anybody know what it is?
Thought it might be a 1778 George III but the coin only has "II".

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Hokum

- EDIT - Here are the measurements: 28.1 mm, 5.8 grams
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04/28/2018 7:22 pm
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 Posted 04/28/2018  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is not British, but Spanish colonial. Charles II of Spain, date looks like 1778.

Suspiciously discolored and crude, likely to be counterfeit; perhaps contemporary.

Don't know enough to comment further (in particular, I have no idea where is the mintmark supposed to be).

EDIT: wait, no, 1778 is Charles III, but the coin clearly says Charles II. Weird. Anyone willing to call the Spanish Colonial counterfeit experts? I know we have a few...
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04/28/2018 6:21 pm
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 Posted 04/28/2018  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most probably a contemporary counterfeit, due to the wear.
Has to be a counterfeit, because as January1May has indicated, Charles 11 and 1778 do not match.

Nevertheless, this sort of coin would still fit happily in my 'black' collection.
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 Posted 04/28/2018  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First off, welcome.

I'd also say it's most likely a Spanish colonial contemporary counterfeit, originally silver coated or maybe even only tinned. No marked denomination, so diameter would indicate what it was being passed as.

Another not too dissimilar to this one was also recently posted.

See: http://goccf.com/t/316485

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 Posted 04/28/2018  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokumschool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the measurements: 28.1 mm, 5.8 grams
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 Posted 04/28/2018  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Here are the measurements: 28.1 mm, 5.8 grams

Not quite so light as I might have expected, but still underweight and clearly not silver. The diameter corresponds to that of a genuine 2 reales.

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 Posted 04/29/2018  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find its a Kleeberg 78A-M1. FM Assayer, mercuric silvering over a brass alloy.

Here are its diagnostics:

1. Plain Edge, Medal Turn die Axis.
2. An ordinal of Charles II withe date 1778 in the reign of Charles III.
3. D in IND is backwards.
4. The T mintmark is nonsensical.
5. the "2" in 2R is actually an ampersand or other symbol.
6. Its Rarity is R7+ (JPL Collection, Wnuck Stacks Sale: 11/16/2012:6904), two in ANS).

Value: $100-up.

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 Posted 04/29/2018  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Kleeberg CCC2R's were done/written in three parts:

Part 1 - This COAC book ~ 50 varieties.

Part 2 - The CNL Update - April 2011 - Colonial Newsletter - also use the Eric Newman Portal under JOURNALS ~ 50 varieties or if an MNA member see the Library section.

Part 3 - Forgotten Coins of the North American Colonies - 25th Anniversary (2017) ~ 50 varieties in Chapter 2.

There is EXACTLY 160 varieties to date. But we HIT THE WALL. Maybe 1 variety surfaces every year now ... maybe.

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 Posted 04/29/2018  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokumschool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for your fantastic feedback!

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