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New Member
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I can't find this sucker anywhere online, anybody know what it is? Thought it might be a 1778 George III but the coin only has "II".   This is my first post. Any format hints, tricks, or tips is appreciated. Thank You Hokum - EDIT - Here are the measurements: 28.1 mm, 5.8 grams Edited by hokumschool 04/28/2018 7:22 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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It is not British, but Spanish colonial. Charles II of Spain, date looks like 1778.
Suspiciously discolored and crude, likely to be counterfeit; perhaps contemporary.
Don't know enough to comment further (in particular, I have no idea where is the mintmark supposed to be).
EDIT: wait, no, 1778 is Charles III, but the coin clearly says Charles II. Weird. Anyone willing to call the Spanish Colonial counterfeit experts? I know we have a few...
Edited by january1may 04/28/2018 6:21 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Most probably a contemporary counterfeit, due to the wear. Has to be a counterfeit, because as January1May has indicated, Charles 11 and 1778 do not match.
Nevertheless, this sort of coin would still fit happily in my 'black' collection.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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First off, welcome. I'd also say it's most likely a Spanish colonial contemporary counterfeit, originally silver coated or maybe even only tinned. No marked denomination, so diameter would indicate what it was being passed as. Another not too dissimilar to this one was also recently posted. See: http://goccf.com/t/316485
Colligo ergo sum
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New Member
 United States
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Here are the measurements: 28.1 mm, 5.8 grams
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Here are the measurements: 28.1 mm, 5.8 grams Not quite so light as I might have expected, but still underweight and clearly not silver. The diameter corresponds to that of a genuine 2 reales.
Colligo ergo sum
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice find its a Kleeberg 78A-M1. FM Assayer, mercuric silvering over a brass alloy.
Here are its diagnostics:
1. Plain Edge, Medal Turn die Axis. 2. An ordinal of Charles II withe date 1778 in the reign of Charles III. 3. D in IND is backwards. 4. The T mintmark is nonsensical. 5. the "2" in 2R is actually an ampersand or other symbol. 6. Its Rarity is R7+ (JPL Collection, Wnuck Stacks Sale: 11/16/2012:6904), two in ANS).
Value: $100-up.
John Lorenzo Numismatist United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The Kleeberg CCC2R's were done/written in three parts:
Part 1 - This COAC book ~ 50 varieties.
Part 2 - The CNL Update - April 2011 - Colonial Newsletter - also use the Eric Newman Portal under JOURNALS ~ 50 varieties or if an MNA member see the Library section.
Part 3 - Forgotten Coins of the North American Colonies - 25th Anniversary (2017) ~ 50 varieties in Chapter 2.
There is EXACTLY 160 varieties to date. But we HIT THE WALL. Maybe 1 variety surfaces every year now ... maybe.
John Lorenzo New Jersey
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Thanks everyone for your fantastic feedback!
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