Question About Progression Of Doubled Dies On Lincoln Memorial Cent / LMC 'S

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Waynoah83 Pillar of the Community 586 Posts	Posted 04/30/2018 12:00 am I am iquiring about the progression of a doubled die. If a die we're to be doubled to begin with, is it possible that after being used initially it would wear down enough so that the doubling would eventually disappear or at least lose most of the characteristics that may definitively identify it as in fact doubled. Obviously if it wasn't strong to begin with then I'm sure polishing would do the trick. I'm talking more about wear from just striking coins, like the time immediately after the die was first put into use. I came across a 73 D LMC that is in awesome condition and and it looks like it was stamped with a die that had yet to be polished because there are virtually no die markers and the devices are some of the strongest I've seen even on some b/u coins. There is only one listed for that year on wexlers and this is not it. I am not able to post pics of it at the moment but they will be coming soon. I know you will need to see the coin to give me an opinion but for now I am just asking about the above mentioned scenario. Report this Post to the Staff

Crazyb0 Rest in Peace 10197 Posts	Posted 04/30/2018 12:43 am Try this site: http://www.varietyvista.com there are may listed stages of the DDO / DDR or RPM there. To answer your question, NO. Simply, there will be enough left because on doubling the devices are enlarged from a normal size or the rotation is such for a separation or shift to remain. The die markers change all the time. Even within listed stages. Think you asked about error progression before, right? Similar answer. Die chips or gouges appear then are removed...sometimes, sometimes not. There really isn't a fine line science to these. Take markers as the additional IDing, not as the only ID for these. Report this Post to the Staff
spru Bedrock of the Community United States 12477 Posts	Posted 04/30/2018 12:45 am I suppose that the signs of a minor doubled die could nearly disappear due to die wear. In many cases, the die markers become more evident and more of them are added, even if the die doubling is less evident in later die states. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024 Edited by spru 04/30/2018 12:46 am Report this Post to the Staff
Waynoah83 Pillar of the Community 586 Posts	Posted 04/30/2018 01:22 am Good memory. It was about one of the ATB Quarters that I had multiple grease strike throughs and the odds of a particular coin being affected in the same area because of design per say or if I possibly had managed to find a couple coins in a series of the same strike through of varying degrees. This is a little different because of the fact it's the actual die. But I do appreciate the info. I don't use variety as much because everyone seems to say wexler is the end all be all for dd's. I just saw it said on his that his list was complete for this particular issue so I assumed he believes there is no more possible. But you know what they say about assuming. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 04/30/2018 03:08 am Class 2 doubled dies will wear the doubling on the die because the doubling is on the outside parts of the devices. You can find this issue on cent memorial reverses. These devices will disappear on coins beyond MDS. That is why on these cents the earlier die states are better. The doubling on the outside devices will disappear, but the doubling on the EPU will remain. The notching will sometimes be present if it also happens to be on the devices not next to the rim. (I was hoping to find examples on variety Vista to show this, because they show different die stages. But I couldn't find two different stages on there site. The one that was close, didn't show images of the die stage without the doubling. Probably the reason was, it was already worn off the die and they didn't see a reason to show it if it wasn't there. Edited by coop 04/30/2018 03:16 am Report this Post to the Staff
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