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1981 D LMC / 2014 D Shield - Double Trouble?

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 Posted 05/01/2018  12:49 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Eyes4Error to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,

Been trying to hone in on seeing double!

This does not match 1981D-1DO-001, but I believe it is a doubling?

Thanks for your input :)


1981-D-LMC-/-2014-D-Shield---Double-Trouble?
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1981-D-LMC-/-2014-D-Shield---Double-Trouble?
1981-D-LMC-/-2014-D-Shield---Double-Trouble?
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 Posted 05/01/2018  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks more like Machine Doubling. The obverse is showing a push downwards on the tops of the motto. the date on the left sides of the devices. Note how the devices are reduced in size with the push doubling. If this were a DDO, then the devices would not be reduced by flattening, but there would be spread present on the devices. Kind of like the a 1982 DDO would look like if it were hub doubling.
1981-D-LMC-/-2014-D-Shield---Double-Trouble?
Note the regular size of devices compared with the hub doubling.
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 Posted 05/01/2018  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eyes4Error to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for chiming in Coop...

I see the doubling in your examples. I see the fatness and see the doubling... Ugh

Eventually I have to get it right and stop seeing things incorrect...
lol



I was gonna ask on this one but now I am feeling it is just my wishful thinking...

2014 D Shield cent...





1981-D-LMC-/-2014-D-Shield---Double-Trouble?
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It the same thing. The tops of LIBERTY are reduced a bit from MD. But on the nose, that is always MD. I've have never see the nose affected on any coin so far on the bridge area of the nose. Always MD. You are looking too hard that the edges of the devices. Look for the devices show show spread in the center of the devices and not on the outside edges of the devices. IE:
Note this example of Machine Doubling?
1981-D-LMC-/-2014-D-Shield---Double-Trouble?
Note how it is stronger on the left side than the right. That was caused after the strike because of movement. So what is affected? The edges of the coin. It is reducing the devices. On a real doubled die, you look for the devices to show spread. Then center parts of the devices should be wider:
1981-D-LMC-/-2014-D-Shield---Double-Trouble?
Spread means the distance between hubbings on the die. Note the affected area on this one? It is not on an edge, it is in the center.
1981-D-LMC-/-2014-D-Shield---Double-Trouble?
Again note. It is not on an edge that is affected. It is on the center part.
1981-D-LMC-/-2014-D-Shield---Double-Trouble?
On these doubled dies, where is the doubling/spread? In the centers. Not on the outside edges of devices.
On the single squeeze coins, the devices show a distortion that I liken to over inflated inner tubes like you would see on a bicycle:
1981-D-LMC-/-2014-D-Shield---Double-Trouble?
Note the normal example? Then note how these doubled dies are distorted. Are they distorted on the edges of the devices? They show spread, that is what makes them doubled dies. MD happens on the edges of the devices. Doubled dies are shown by spread. So what to do? Stop looking at the edges of devices, look at the centers to see how they show......spread.
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 Posted 05/01/2018  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eyes4Error to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are absolutely right... I am in fact looking to hard at the edges. mostly focusing on splitting in serifs or what I think looks like splitting, which can be deceiving. Especially late at night! LOL

Anyways I was reading through other posts and saw you say that to someone...

I know I have seen some like you are picturing... just not sure which pile of relooks I put them in.

I just think Die Deterioration when I see lettering that is fat, so I don't always pay the right kind of attention to them.

Gonna keep looking...
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Quote:
splitting in serifs

"splitting in serifs" refers to RPMs, not for usage on doubled dies.
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Notching is the correct term you are looking for.
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