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Pillar of the Community
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I was looking at small $1 silver certificates on ebay and came across this listing for a 1935H series. Here's the photo from the listing  The PMG cert seemed strange to me in that it indicates "With Motto" on the label. Since all $1 series after 1935G have the "In God We Trust" motto on them, why would PMG include this notation in the cert label? |
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Sometimes mistakes are made, and this happens very infrequently for the most part, and it happens with both PMG and PCGS. I sent in an error note to PMG, and when it came back, I loved the grade but disagreed with the notation. I sent it back for a new holder with the correct notation. Now, tell me which notation is correct.   |
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Is the reverse centered correctly?
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Pillar of the Community
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No sir.....just like the front  |
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Canada
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I believe it should be a cutting error.
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Steve, So you think it was just an error on PMG's part? I was just wondering if someone could mistakenly request and get a label like this. As far as your note goes, I don't collect error notes. So, I'm far from an expert in this, but I'll go with cutting error. Series 2009 are COPE notes, so the face and back are printed on 32 note sheets. Since the face and back are aligned with each other, it looks to me like the face plate and back plate printings were correctly aligned on the paper. It then looks like during the COPE printing, when the sheets are cut into two 16 note sheets, a major error in cutting occurred (how this occurred isn't clear to me?). The 3rd printing (when the two serial numbers, the black universal Federal Reserve seal, the green Department of the Treasury seal, and the corresponding Federal Reserve identification numbers are added) was then printed on the incorrectly cut notes. These incorrect 16 note sheets were then cut correctly into single notes and that is why the 3rd printing aligns correctly on the final cut note. Did I get it right? Waiting on your expertise though  Edited by BadDog
05/02/2018 10:45 pm
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I reference Fred Bart's Paper Money Errors guide, and originally the note came back from PMG with the "Cutting Error" notation. Since the third print is properly positioned on the front, the error exists from misalignment from the first and second print. Cutting errors are typically more of a North/South margin issue where part of the adjoining note is visible. It's very confusing, but understandable if aided by Fred Bart's guide with many photos and explanations to help you navigate. These type of errors were relatively rare back in the 70's and 80's. Because of the modern inspection technology, the errors have become almost non existent , which makes this note even more dramatic. The note was printed in late 2013. The correct notation is "Misaligned Error". If you like/hunt/collect error notes, then I highly recommend you get Fred's guide. Give him a call, and I'm sure he will courtesy autograph for you also. After talking with both Fred and Doris Bart, I finally had the pleasure of meeting them here in Tampa at the FUN show.  I apologize BD, I am sorry for hijacking your thread. |
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Oh, in answering your question about the submitter asking for the notation, it is my belief that PMG and possibly PCGS also will add the green notations (near the grade) as requested, but not the main description line.
I was contemplating adding "Cigar City Collection " to my notes, but determined that would cost me a small fortune.
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the error exists from misalignment from the first and second print. Steve, I thought misalignment at first, but then changed my mind. The 1st and 2nd printings are separate operations. It seemed improbable to me that the face and back would be equally misaligned in both operations, so I changed to a cutting issue in the COPE 16 note separation process, although I really couldn't figure out how the sheet could be cut so poorly (essentially it would have had to have had the middle of the sheet cut out and the sides discarded). So, both misalignment and cutting had major problems that didn't make sense to me and I ended up going with cutting. Guess I chose poorly  |
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... but not the main description line. This is what I thought as well, which is why the label was so strange to me. I just found it hard to believe that PMG would essentially mix-up the 35H label with a 35G label. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Great discussion here, learned a lot. So okay, I'll ask the question: who is who in the photo?  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Me on the left and Fred Bart on the right.
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Bedrock of the Community
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You're better looking than I figured!
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Posted 05/02/2018 6:54 pm
