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Pillar of the Community
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Other than the one photo of this die pair on the LRC site, and the general idea that the rim and vest appear fused, I really don't have any good way to figure out for sure whether this is, or is not, a die pair 4 coattails "weak D". It quite looks like the image on LRC but is there some better way to verify it? Help would be greatly appreciated on this as I just need die pair 4 to complete my set of 1922 no/weak D die pairs. Thanks and crossing my fingers.    |
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Bedrock of the Community
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You might check to see on the other image, if the 'L' pushes toward the cent on the rim area? That might be a marker for that die? Also the location of the weak 'D' might also help?
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05/02/2018 10:13 pm
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Good thoughts! The L is fully merged with the rim just as on my coin. The mint mark, however, isn't really visible on the LCR coin so can't use that. Other things that match are the fading/mushiness of the ES of STATES and CA of AMERICA as well as just the TY of LIBERTY being strong. Here is the link to the LCR site: http://www.Lincolncentresource.com/...rieties.html |
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Looks like it to me. But I didn't know they had different weak Ds till now lol
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Thanks so much for posting such a nice photo of your coin. It came up in a google search for Die 4. I too have just discovered the fun of trying to find genuine weak d coins among the many non-recognized offerings. The Lincolncentsource guide is helpful, but does not give enough of the other markers for the DIE 4 version, and the example photo is terrible compared to your photo. (and I think I now know what the coattails version looks like!) There's an ANACS article in which they indicate that other weak d's have the reverse rotated slightly counterclockwise vs. the obverse, EXCEPT for Die 4 which is rotated slightly clockwise relative to the obverse, so see if that's the case. WD
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Bedrock of the Community
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 To CCF! Weak D! It's nice to see new members join this awesome forum!  Errers and Varietys.
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to the Community, Weak D! |
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Oh nice! A welcome wagon. Well, you know what I'll be looking for, so let me know if you see one that you're not interested in yourselves (an apparent Die 4). I'm new to the 22-d, and I find the variations the only fascinating coins, because I will not buy a Die 2 "plain" version. According to the complicated charts in PCGS, there are 15,000 estimated '22 die 2 plains, and only 6,000 weak/no d versions yet authenticated ones "command" way less.. supply and demand. But surfing for the weak variations is the funnest thing I've done in awhile! Who would think there's an area of Lincoln Cent collecting that isn't all that well known after 109 years and counting. I will say that tropicalbat's example is hard to find anywhere on the internet and I've never seen a 4 yet on e-bay. I"m going to start surfing other auctions. I see 1's and 3's all the time now, now that I know what I'm looking at. Maybe these will get discovered by more collectors.. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Best of luck - typically these non-key die pairs have a limited audience, especially in such a low grade. to the CCF! |
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The only record for that year I have is 7,160,000 cents made that year. Be hard to guess as some dies were fresh at one time and struck many coin until they over polished them. They wanted more dies, but were told to keep using these. Thus a BU coin was showing extreme die wear. Seem like it would be hard to grade them with dies that bad. They would probably have to grade them by weight? If they weight the 3.11grams, then they would be considered BU even though they looked worn. the lighter the weight, the lower the grade.
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Yes, the PCGS site estimates surviving coins. Meantime, I believe I found a die 4 in AU 58 for comparison purposes. Jagged coat merging into the rim.. reverse slightly clockwise in the holder. Weak high point details on the reverse as 1 and 3's. Enjoy.   |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Markers and mint mark locations are probably the only way you will be able to Identify them.
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I would also say that in looking at all these PCGS and NGC auction coins that the graders are not infallible. I think I saw an actual Die 2 that was misgraded as a weak D that went for $30 bucks. Lucky buyer.. break that thing open and re-submit! Looking back at LCS, it looks like this AU example may have been additionally off center struck, there's no rim at all on that side like their example. Clear as mud. That's what makes these interesting. For the 3's, is it a 3 early in it's strike cycle? I did buy a regular 22d with a straight die crack in xf for $17. Just to highlight the difference to a 1.
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