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What is your "gut feeling" on these?
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That they are shy. Quote:
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i think there is a few remakes and a few real ones
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thats just a guess I'm new to this coin stuff
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Hey dans1950. Do your self a favor and get a copy of the Red Book, a guide book of US. coins. I think you will be able to answer your question for most of these coins using that book. My advice that I give to myself is to do a little research be for you make a purchase. I checked the Red Book while looking at the photos of your coins and was able to see a big difference in some of them. |
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I'll let people who collect Morgans comment here.  |
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I do see a few things on the Morgans that raise some flags in my mind. The reeding and denticles look fishy on the second one, and the mint mark appears to be slightly off center to the right. There are only two reverse dies listed on VAMworld, and the placement of the MM is close, but doesn't seem to match either one exactly. With coins of this value, I would have them authenticated by a reputable TPG. If I were selling them I would have had them graded to maximize my profit, it always makes me cautious when I see a valuable coin without a slab. Were all of these coins bought from the same person? |
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My guess is they all came from China and they are all fake to include the Morgans.
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In the context of the accompanying coins you should automatically assume the Morgans are fake. If you need any more proof, the reverse rims of both coins show fine lines that are typically evidence of a coin being a cast copy.
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I mean no disrespect when I say this, dans1950, but it would be my guess that not a single one is real. The 1795 shows weakness in the wing strike that just doesn't match the quality of the strike; in that condition it would be a $30,000 coin if real. The 1796 is reeded, decades before US coins were first reeded in the 1830's. The 1851 is a fantasy piece, unlike the Dollars actually struck in 1851. The indian head design shown is from the Cent first minted a few years later. The eagle on the Trade dollar is not even remotely close to the correct design. The Morgans? Well, they're a little closer to the mark, but still obvious to someone who knows the issue. Both obverses show a sort of generalized mushiness that's incompatible with the quality you'd expect of a Carson City strike. On both, the ear details are way too mushy to be compatible with the wear on the rest of the coin. The denticles aren't even enough. My guess is an original coin was used as a master hub. Interesting factoid, and the real kicker for me: 1885-CC Morgans are the rarest Morgan to find in circulated condition. Almost every single one stayed in bags until the GSA sales of the 1960's and 1970's. Of over 1000 1885-CC's Heritage has auctioned in the last 20+ years, fewer than 50 were circulated.The last two coins are pattern replicas. Both would be of huge value if real. All in all, there's probably close to $50,000 of value presented in this thread, if the coins were real. That fact alone makes it highly unlikely that any of them are. |
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Not trying to pile on or anything, but the chances of them also being silver are about zero. The Asian fakes are almost always made of a base metal especially when making fantasy pieces. The only time when a fake would be made of silver is when the fake is meant to be convincing to a discriminating eye- these are not. I hope you didnt pay too much or you at least have a chance to get a refund.
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WoW !!.....I just don't want these entering the "marketplace" !.....don't want em' showing up at estate auctions, ebay, etc. etc..........It's good training for us to spot counterfeits and be wary, but......... Tell us about how you got these ?...... |
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Dan,
Some obviously are and the rest are very questionable. I suggest you take them to a local reputable (honest) coin dealer in your area and have them checked out. With the value of these coins if they were real, I wouldn't accept they are all counterfeits without a lot of investigating.
Even some counterfeits can have some monetary value as long as they are sold as such.
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06/19/2008 10:28 am
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I hope you did not pay much for them because they all look fake. Only the Morgans even look close to the real thing and even then, the details are a giveaway of it's origins.
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Posted 06/18/2008 7:04 pm
