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I think this is a VIP specimen case, It says 1908-1968 with a emblem of the mint on the top of the case and the inside has the government of Canada crest with a blue felt background. The holder for the coin is pinned into the inside of the case. It came with a nice looking 1968 dollar, but not certain if it is a specimen or PL.The seller said it was PL, but it looks nicer than my PL dollars. Pictures are not the best, still working on how to do better tickets.     |
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Feel free to call me Will.
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These are very common . The coins tend to be PL in appearance . Probably the mints first attempt at a " cased Nickel Dollar" . I am betting they were probably sold at the mint to visitors back in the day. I used to buy PL sets and the strips of nickel Dollars from the mint in the late 1960s and cannot remember them being offered as a retail item.
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05/08/2018 11:13 pm
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That is a PL nickel dollar. The only way to get 1968 specimen struck coins is with the VIP specimen set, which ls exactly like the 1970 VIP specimen set.  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Thanks all, it would explain why I could only find a couple images of the case online. Always something new to learn in this forum.
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Box is nicer than the coin. Looks much nicer than the usual boxes- printed coat of arms and no nice gold-coloured one inside. Probably only went to bosses and friends in the government.
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05/09/2018 02:37 am
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05/09/2018 03:14 am
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This is what a 1968 specimen strike nickel dollar looks like. https://www.PCGS.com/cert/32775144And even this one, is not as fully struck as the specimen coins from the 1970s... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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While checking through my silver specimen dollars from 1971 and later, I came upon this page from my 2009 Charlton about specimen dollars. Don't believe everything "experts" tell you. At the top of the first photo, the box in question is described as being for a 1968 or 1969 nickel SPECIMEN dollar. As for the coin itself, it may or may not be a specimen. Maybe the seller was correct and switched the specimen for the PL and was honest to say what it really was. I would lean (just slightly) toward it being a specimen because most collectors would keep the coin and box together.   |
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Thanks TerryT, glad you found that, I was thinking of returning to seller. But was on the fence. I was looking for some kind of reference to that, is that the volume 2 NCLT charelton? As I didn't see any concrete reference in mine from 2015.
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The 2009 edition 63 is a single book with both regular and NCLT items - it's huge, 458 pgs. I think it's the last one before the 2 volume editions. 10 cent varieties in the back.
Gilt Mint bldg. and Coat of Arms = gold-plated.
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Don't believe everything "experts" tell you. At the top of the first photo, the box in question is described as being for a 1968 or 1969 nickel SPECIMEN dollar. This reminds me of lessons I teach to graduate students... just because it is published in a book or journal paper somewhere, does not mean it is true... The Charlton catalogues are rife full of errors... some of us have given up trying to fix them, because Bill Cross (at the time) didn't feel like making the necessary edits. I have seen that box before, but I have NEVER seen a specimen strike nickel dollar contained within it. The 1968 specimen strikes for all denominations are very scarce (I am still seeking a nice 1-cent specimen) - and I have only ever seen 1968 specimen strikes in the six coin elongate boxes. That is a PL strike.... in a fancy box... "lipstick on a pig" is the expression that comes to mind.... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Thank you all, I think that settles it for me... or at least until new information is presented 1. The coin looks like a PL (as per original owner), not SP, real SP coin was probably switched/lost/never inserted, maybe it was always PL coins. 2. Box is from the RCM (or until someone/I can find evidence to the contrary). It seems to be fairly uncommon, as I have only found a few instances (2) of them being sold in auctions, or even pictures for that matter, compared to the large number of 1970+ clam shell dollars you see on ebay. Now the long hunt for an SP 1968 dollar to fill the case. Happy to say, I recently acquired a 1970 VIP case for my set of 1970 SP's. |
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They are scarce and I wish you luck... I have been hunting for a 1968 specimen 1-cent for almost a decade... I just did not want to bite the bullet and pay $1200 for the entire set... but, eventually, if I do, I will give you first crack at the dollar (since I already have one)...
I think with both - then you will have something cool (even if the dollar is in a PCGS slab)....
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The box is definitely from the RCM. I was down at the Bank of Canada Currency Museum today (I am helping the museum with XRF testing of their collections)... and I asked the curator to show me the Royal Canadian Mint specimen and proof-like boxes. This box was the 1969 issue, but the coin that came inside this box was also proof-like.  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Cool, thanks SPP, keep me posted if you find one, I might be interested in one. It is interesting that they put a 1969 coin in a box dated 1908-1968. In the NGC link above, it said there was a 1969 case that did not include the 1908-1968 part, the picture seems to reflect this.
I will have to go into the museum next time I am in Ottawa, I visited the old one but have not had a chance to see the new one yet. That must be really neat working with them and being able to see so many interesting coins close up.
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