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1967 LMC What Is Going On With The W In IGWT?

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Found this and know it is heavily circulated, but trying to figure out what happened to this raised and squished W?

Anyone have a guess?

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 Posted 05/09/2018  01:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A hit, damage, see the lower corner of E as well?
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with Crazy. That LMC has lived a rough and tumble life.
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Yep.
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Thanks for the response... I kind of figured. But I have seen high set W's before... so thought I would ask.

Wish I could find one of my other examples of high set W... does that have any significance when the motto letting is out of alignment?
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But the real cause? All the 1968 cents had this similar affect. why? Because the master hub was spreading outwards from being used too long. If this were a 1968, the guys would have caught that it was the cause. But actually did show also on the 1967 cents. Just not as strong as the 1968 did. The new master hub in 1969 fixed the issue with a new design.
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Here I found my example of lifted W... this is a 1959 D LMC, but I have seen on other dates...

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Would the above 1959 D LMC also be due to master hub being spreading outwards?... or something different?

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That was the design of that particular hub used to make that batch of working dies
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But the master hub was used then for several years. Thus the last two digits were added. Remember the weakness of the 1946 cent dies? The 46 was added weakly. The rest of the date was strong. I'm not sure what year they stopped doing this. But at that time they were creating the master hub that way. So issues from the previous years like the notch on the B on Liberty and the W on WE continued several years.
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Another odd phenomenon has been observed in connection with both versions of the 1960 Lincoln Cent. In the making of the master die for the year, the previous year's master hub (or a preceding year's master hub) was employed to make that new master die by abrading the last two digits (in some cases the last three digits) of the date from that master hub. The new master die was made and the last two digits were engraved into the newly formed die.
However, it appears that the small date 1960 master die was made from a previous year's master hub that had all design elements removed except for Lincoln's bust. This is also true for the large date 1960 Lincoln Cent as well. If we compare the word LIBERTY in a 1959 cent to the same word in both the 1960 small date and large date cent, we can see obvious differences in the lettering. Look at the picture to the right and while the word LIBERTY does appear to be the same in all three examples, closer scrutiny reveals a difference in just about all the letters.
We can also see similar differences in the motto IN GOD WE TRUST pictured below from the two dates and the large and small date 1960 cent.
Again, we must ask, why did the mint go to the trouble of making a new master die without LIBERTY and IN GOD WE TRUST only to have those two design elements engraved into that new master die? We can see that the motto had not yet migrated to the edge of the die for the positioning of LIBERTY and IN GOD WE TRUST appear the same for 1959, 1960 small date and 1960 large date. It has been noted by both James Wiles and me that the 1960 large date master hub was used without change up until the year of change in 1969. In 1968, the master hub from its continuous use to make master dies had spread Lincoln's bust outward to a point that the motto had merged with the rim. But that does not explain the mint's actions in 1960 and still leaves us wanting a better understanding of just what went on at the mint in that year. Could this have been a situation similar to what the mint experienced with the web note [1]?
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Interesting... there is always MORE to learn!
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