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Corinthian Stater Fourree?

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 Posted 05/11/2018  12:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Gerguem to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I bought the following coin from a VCoins store.

Corinth 375-300 BC, AR Stater
Ancient Coins - Corinth 375-300 BC, AR Stater
Obv: Pegasus flying l, koppa below Rev: Helmeted head of Athena, Artemis with torch behind. Pegasi I p. 268, 451; Ravel 1076, Good Very Fine ( 20 mm , 8.1 Gm )

There are a few things that puzzle me about this coin. Itīs on the light side. 8.13 gr, over 5% lower than the standard 8.6 gr for Corinthian Staters, specially considering itīs good condition. I tested itīs specific gravity and itīs around 9.5, which would be a finesse of under 50%. this alone would explain the low weight.

Paying close attention, I also noticed that the edge does not have the shiny luster of the faces

Paying closer attention to one of the cracks, whatever metal is in there, it does not look like silver (green makes me think copper?):

Al this makes me think of a fourree, although both faces are so shiny clean that I wonder if it could have been plated further ahead in time of just a modern forgery. I would be very interested in your thoughts.

Thanks,
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05/11/2018 2:30 pm
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 Posted 05/11/2018  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ancient67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very puzzling. I don't have the solution. To see the obverse could help.
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 Posted 05/11/2018  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gerguem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Ancient67. I added a better picture of both sides in the initial text of the Topic. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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interesting I have the same situation with my leontini sicily coin is that posible that the lower concentracion of silver or what
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try to clean it slowly after I cleaned my crack now they have a beter color and shine
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 Posted 05/11/2018  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The details on yours are off, this is a "real one" as listed in your description
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces9093.html

I would be suspect on yours.
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Butch, there were different variations, with different devices in the fields, for these issues. The OP coin shows Artemis (Artemis Phosphoros) advancing with long torch in the reverse right field. Both sides, obverse and reverse, seem correct - both in terms of imagery and style - for this particular type.
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 Posted 05/11/2018  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gerguem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the style seems to be correct. This is the same coin as shown in the Wildwinds website.
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I agree, the style looks fine to me.. couldn't it be only a deposit in the cracks? Normally, it should be black rather than green but moisture or other stuff could be added... It seems the more likely.
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I don't know... little things like the positioning of the q are different (the wildwinds example it is more central and less rotated in relation to the feet of the horse, the wings look more refined etc.) With the weight being wrong I would raise concerns with the seller and see what they have to say, v coins are pretty good generally if you have an issue.

That isn't to say it is wrong but given there are so many coins out there unless I am 100% happy I usually err on the side of caution.
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