1885 O Morgan- Lines Under Tail Feathers.

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chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 06/20/2008 6:12 pm What are these "lines" below the tail feathers? Cracks, gouges There is no listed 1885O VAM showing this. Image: 1885Olinesjpeg1.jpg 36.54 KB Image: 1885Olinesjpeg2.jpg 38.82 KB Image: 1885Olinesjpeg3.jpg 37.75 KB Image: 1885Olinesjpeg4.jpg 54.82 KB Image: 1885Olinesjpeg5.jpg 41.76 KB Image: 1885Olinesjpeg6.jpg 35.68 KB Report this Post to the Staff

chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 06/20/2008 6:51 pm Just found these die chips? -also in the same area- just to the side of the M on the Reverse- top of first leaf in wreath. Image: 1885Odiechipsjpeg1.jpg 53.82 KB Image: 1885Odiechipsjpeg2.jpg 48.06 KB Image: 1885Odiechipsjpeg3.jpg 46.41 KB Image: 1885Odiechipsjpeg4.jpg 51.22 KB Report this Post to the Staff
Indian1 Pillar of the Community United States 3640 Posts	Posted 06/20/2008 7:47 pm Hi I see something in image #2 (besides the lines etc.) Could you post some closeup pics. of the coins obverse, opposite of the area in question ? Wanted to rule out or in a slight clash possibility. The small raised dots are most likely just die chips. I have a clash posted on the same yr. coin. Report this Post to the Staff
chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 06/20/2008 8:20 pm Indian1 Here are pics of the obverse- if there are any die clashes , I think it might be in this area for a match. Thanks. Image: 1885OObvjpeg1.jpg 41.04 KB Image: 1885OObvjpeg2.jpg 46.4 KB Image: 1885OObvjpeg3.jpg 48.64 KB Image: 1885OObvjpeg4.jpg 44.81 KB Image: 1885OObvjpeg5.jpg 48.73 KB Report this Post to the Staff
Indian1 Pillar of the Community United States 3640 Posts	Posted 06/20/2008 8:51 pm Hi It's tough to pinpoint the area. I am looking at that triangle in pic. #2 (upper left hand area of the bud) Like I just learned recently when I posted my clash, unless it is a clash involving the lettering it really adds no premium to the coin. I think you may have a very slight clash going on if anything, and those lines (looking as indents) as most likely just from the die. Like I was just recently reminded of, "All Morgans are Vams" Unfortunatley, as far I have seen, there are no top 50 or 100 vams anyway for the 85-O It's still fun (yeah right:) to look... Report this Post to the Staff
chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 06/20/2008 9:17 pm Yeah- if it isn't letters, it isn't going anywhere. just trying to match these things up to an existing VAM can get you going- Again- Thanks NGiles for getting me going with these things Thanks again for your input. Report this Post to the Staff
NGiles Pillar of the Community United States 527 Posts	Posted 06/21/2008 09:59 am Chuckster, The lines appear to be either post mint damage, or die wear because they are recessed into the coin. I am leaning more towards die wear due to the location of the lines, however they may have been caused by someone cleaning the coin. Full Obverse and Reverse pics would be helpful in determining the overall quality of the coin. Sorry for leading you into an addiction, some day you may want to quit, then you'll be cussing me instead of thanking me. Report this Post to the Staff
chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 06/21/2008 11:47 am NEVER QUIT!! I shot these pics over to Jack Lee- he said the small dots are probably die chips and the lines are either Planchet or Striking Marks. I made a copy of your die-clash guide- nice tool! If you get a chance, check out my post under New1921P Morgan VAM3AB? after matching your guide up- look by the VEE hairline- seems like a possible inside part of the S in trust in that area. Mr Van Allen already has this coin- for examination- I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it'll be assigned a VAM! based on BOTH WINGS having Die gouges/polish that are visible to the naked eye and that possible S. also has a nice different die crack in knot of bow not listed. Chuck. Report this Post to the Staff
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