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1993 D Lincoln Cent. Need Help Deciding Shelf Doubling Or DD.

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I came across this 1993 penny last night. I wanted to use a high powered microscope to take some pics. Now, I'm new to this forum so I can't tell if this is a major shelf doubling coin, or a double die. Attached are many great high power photos. The last one is a 3D image. Fingers crossed!
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 Posted 05/22/2018  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is your light source and how many?
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 Posted 05/22/2018  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most of what I see is late die state and MD.
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It is all Machine Doubling. The die that struck your coin was normal, but after the strike, the machine altered the devices on your coin. MD in not the same thing as a doubled die. On a doubled die, the die was hubbed incorrectly. The doubling is on the die. mD can also happen on doubled dies also, but not on your coin.
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 Posted 05/22/2018  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chavez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
John1. One light source on a keyance microscope at work. It's meant for fine detail review of automotive interior air bags. You can use other filters but there is only one main light beam
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yeah, the lighting in these photos is creating a ton of glare which makes it hard to decern detail from them. I agree with MD.
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Same. Keep looking!
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Thanks for your honest opinions. I'll keep looking.
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Is the light source hot? If the light is a distance to the coin, you could diffuse the light a bit to remove glare from the images. If the light is too bright you might try white bond paper. If the light is not to bright you could make a curtain with a plastic grocery bag and a coat hanger:
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Then place the curtain between the light source and the coin/scope. That will but a lot of the glare. Even secondary light can be an issue. So placing paper in the direction of the unwanted light will prevent that glare from being an issue:
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I use scotch tape to hold them up. Or you can use facial tissue to block unwanted light. Move your and around the coin area to determine it there is an unwanted light source. Then place something to block it in the direction necessary.
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Coop. The light source is not hot. I can use your recomendations on blocking out light spices. The scope has a dimmer on it. I can try a few more lower light pics if you think that would help?
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I seeing Machine Doubling. Machine Doubling always reduces the devices and is shelflike in appearance. You'll eventually get the hang at this, but it will take some time.
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