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 Posted 06/01/2018  12:28 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CalmBud to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

BOC is phasing out 1000 dollar bills. what will this mean for its collection value ? up or down?

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...minal-elites
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 Posted 06/01/2018  02:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Australian $100 (FV = $75 U.S.) will no longer be printed after November 2018.
I have never had a credit card and must have saved $thousands with cash budgeting and payment, even with payments to utility providers. Governments couldn't care less about you electronic security, they just blame you, if you get it wrong.

We just become easier targets for scammers. Australians were scammed of $140 million in 2016.
I have never been scammed.

They don't know my electronic payments record, because I don't have one.

And I need credit like I need a hole in the head !

Governments are ostensibly trying to eliminate the cash economy, so the the drug dealers' lives can been made harder.
Meanwhile, the drug industry just keeps on growing.

If I have to buy everything with $50 notes, then that is what I will be forced to do.
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 Posted 06/01/2018  02:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think high grade notes will maintain there value with some premium, but lower grade/common notes will remain somewhere near face value to 2x face value for higher grades. The market is too small and too many were printed for serious price appreciations in my opinion.

Even with $100 bills, the market seems to be small with lots of high grade supply, there is not much of a premium, unless the note is rare (replacement, specimen, fancy serial etc...).I recently purchased a few $100 notes for 50-60% over face, one was graded 66 (birds of canada) the other UNC but not graded (previous series). Even that market does not seem to demand a significant premium. If you go back to the earliest ones, it is probably a different story, but they already trading at 5x-15x face value.
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 Posted 06/01/2018  03:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very few of us can afford to collect rare versions of $1,000 Notes.

Most of us will not take the risk of saving a pristine example of a $1,000 Note, due to the loss of value due to inflation. With a continuous average inflation rate of only 4% over a period of 20 years, the buying power of a $1,000 Note is $440 in terms of today's values. That note would have to have a numismatic (correction: 'notaphilic')* increase to $2,190 in terms of 2038 values, if the notaphilic market rose by a continuous compounded average of 4% per year.

Would you trust your Government to safeguard the buying power of the circulating currency that well?
Do you have that much confidence in the notaphilic investment market over a period of 20 years?

* = the correct term for someone who saves and studies banknotes. (At least that is the term used by the IBNS)**

** = International Bank Note Society. There is most probably a chapter of this Society in Toronto.
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 Posted 06/01/2018  03:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stick to $5 Notes.
They are cheaper to collect, with only 5% of the risk.

Much cheaper still: go for LMC's !!
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 Posted 06/01/2018  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Off topic:

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Australian $100 (FV = $75 U.S.) will no longer be printed after November 2018.


First time I hear about this.
I did a quick internet search and found nothing that corroborate this news. Yes, there had been talk about getting rid of the Aussie $100 note. But those plans were scrapped recently.
It's burried deeply in this report (pp 49-51; 73-76) https://static.treasury.gov.au/uplo...l-Report.pdf

Instead, a new study was proposed to figure out where all the Aussie $100 notes are.
Please, state source for the above claim.
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 Posted 06/01/2018  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heresay, but my son is a tax accountant, and has an active passing interest in such info. Will seek further information to confirm a withdrawal date, if one has been decided upon.

There are quite a few Google references in support of suggestions that the $100 should be withdrawn.

About a year ago, I bought a classic Mercedes AMG E55 (less than 100,000 klm on the odometer), with $100 notes, and saved $3,000, because I paid in cash.
The company I bought the car from is Sydney's leading specialist in the servicing of such cars outside of Mercedes dealerships, and is of unquestioned reputation. The CEO is a member of our car club, which is overseen by Head office of Mercedes-Benz Germany.
(In other words, definitely not a 'shady' deal.)

Makes no sense to me at all, as to why the $100 Note of such comparatively low value, should be withdrawn. Over the next period of years, with the prospect of possible inflation, the $100 Note should be destined to become more useful, not less so.
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Absolute misinformation about OZ doing away with the 100 Dollar Banknote.
Story started by some UBS analyst who suggests it is a good idea. Former Fediot Larry Summers suggests the US do the same thing.
The war on cash is just about to really get the party started , so to say.
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 Posted 06/01/2018  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@sel69I


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notaphilic


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The correct term for someone who saves and studies banknotes.




Word of the day to be added to my vocabulary. Thanks!
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection:
http://goccf.com/t/303507
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A couple years ago India removed all 500 and 1,000 rupee bills from circulation with a day's notice... subsequently replaced with new 500 and 2,000 rupee bills. The stated intent was to clamp down on forgeries, the underground economy, and tax avoidance.

This was not as successful as was hoped and there was a net drop in GDP resulting from the immediate removal of these notes.

All governments would prefer that we move to a cashless society as that will allow them to track all income and expenditures for tax attribution purposes.

From a collectible perspective, the demonetization of the old and high value Canadian bills will not have a large impact on their collectible status as they will still retain their value if surrendered to the Bank of Canada; when they lose that, then watch out. All it means is you won't be able to go buy your AMG E55 with crisp new pink bills... you will need 10 times the number of brown bills.

@sel_69l I am interested though as in Canada, any transaction over $3,000 in cash needs to be reported to the government... ostensibly to clamp down on money laundering... but more likely to confirm tax is paid on that transaction or on the funds that allowed the transaction to occur. It is a pain because any purchase or sale of two or more Gold Maple Leaf coins triggers the reporting requirement... Was your purchase of the Merc in cash reported to the government?
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