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 Posted 06/24/2008  07:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add malissadawn to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi

please grade this one as well if possible
thanks

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 Posted 06/24/2008  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice Half Dime!

I would grade this VF-30.
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 Posted 06/24/2008  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll agree with Bilbo on a VF-30 grade for details. This coin has the washed-out monochrome look I associate with cleaning. It likely was dipped in a tarnish remover to brighten it up and that treatment has damaged the surfaces somewhat. Fortunately it doesn't have any obvious scratches from scrubbing and it hasn't been banged up too badly. It is still a decent type coin, but would be worth less than than an original VF-30 example which had not been cleaned.
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 Posted 06/24/2008  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
HI

thanks for the quick responses. How can I tell if it's been cleaned. I have a very good dealer and usually if he is selling something that has been cleaned he writes it right on the flip and it has a lower price than others. Is there a way to spot this? Could the "washed out" look just be the way I added brightness to the photo in my pic. software?

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 Posted 06/24/2008  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cleaning is often hard to detect but easy to argue about! Sometimes it's just a "look" that seems atypical for a particular coin.

The obverse of your coin appears more obviously cleaned than the reverse. The washed-out color in your photo may be exaggerated by your brightness adjustment. However, another indication of cleaning is the fact that there is some dark toning or maybe just dirt around the date and stars. The fields and exposed areas are conspicuously white in comparison. My suspicion is that those areas were darker at one point but the coin was dipped and maybe even rubbed to lighten it up. The protected areas around the date and stars however retained some of that color.

My opinion is based on the photos. In-hand, the coin may look much better. If you trust your dealer to inform you about whether a coin has been cleaned and he says this one is OK, then his opinion is probably more accurate than mine!
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 Posted 06/24/2008  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for elaborating. I guess there's a lot more I have to learn about buying older coins. I had just assumed that it was a more brighter color because it is silver that hadn't tarnished at all. Do you know of any good books or sites that can give more info on cleaning? I know obviously never to clean my coins and never have, but would love to find some reliable ways to spot things like this quickly so that when I'm in a store (or fleamarket) that I won't miss soemthing obvious.

again, thanks very much for the info.
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 Posted 06/24/2008  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find it very hard to determine if coins have been cleaned by dipping from photos. The best way is to have it in hand and compare it to several other silver coins of similar age and wear. The overall lack of toning on this Half Dime makes cleaning a definite possibility.

Abrasive cleaning, which has a much bigger negative impact on value, is usually easier to identify from the hairline scratches, though sometimes subsequent toning will make even that hard to spot.
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