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Tiny Russian(?) Coin

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Tiny Coin in today's donations - about 1/2" diameter - appears to be silver - not magnetic (I learned to do that last time I posted here!). Identification would be much appreciated as I can't list it for sale until I know what it is! It has been donated to my local hospice.
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 Posted 06/07/2018  04:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a really cool looking piece, I think it says something like "rus" on the reverse. It doesn't look like silver, likely one of the early forms of cupro-nickel. Based on the style of eagle I'd say 1850's-60's.
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Thank you
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Not an early form of copper nickel, but billon - a less than 50% alloy of silver and copper.

Lots of lower face value milled European 16th and 17th century coins were made from this family of less than 50% fine silver-copper alloys.
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Thank you - so it is a Russian coin made of the alloy called billon?

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Value? Ball park figure? Sorry to be so helpless but I need to know whether to list it on a site where it will be fixed price or is it worth ebay (business seller so have to pay listing fees)
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Although a made a general comment about the probable metal composition, I am unable to give a good id., unfortunately.

It could be a medallette or token.
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The letters on the coin :

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It is a trade token, not a coin.

The double-headed eagle is meant to resemble the Russian imperial double-headed eagle but is a rather crude version. Those trade tokens came with different images; the eagle is one of them.

The word [Rus'] means "Russian land" in Russian. It is a fairly archaic word. The token is almost certainly from the late tsarist era.

I saw the discussion of the origin of this trade token on several Russian numismatic forums. Not sure what the exact ID is, but it is not rare and not valuable at all.
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Thank you - that gives me a clear idea of how to sell it.
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Not an early form of copper nickel, but billon - a less than 50% alloy of silver and copper.

Lots of lower face value milled European 16th and 17th century coins were made from this family of less than 50% fine silver-copper alloys.


Doesn't look like billon at all. Also, by the time this would have been made (second half of 19th century) billon fell out of favor all over Europe. And even if it was much older, billon is not something known in Russian coins and other numismatic items. More likely something like german silver/nickel silver/paktong, which are early forms of modern copper-nickel.
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Billon (less than 50% silver), was used extensively in ancient times. This obviously not an ancient coin.
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