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I am having trouble Iding this coin The seller told me that it was Mcalee 507 I looked on WIldwinds and no such coin exists Could this be a bogus coin then ?Or did the seller have the ID wrong?   |
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Respectfully, you could potentially commission a fine artist to create the coin you show and they never would be this successful to make the coin you present. They would have to somehow get some bronze and try to make this and maybe, after a year of trying, they might get edges like that but looking at the chemical composition of the oxides that only form in centuries of sitting in dirt, they might bring back something to you and charge you a couple of thousand dollars for all their hard work. And the coin would not look ancient. So for the record, low end coins with such decent aging are in no way fake or bogus. Bronze is very resilient and millions upon millions upon millions of coins were made and are probably still around as they were not destroyed as we do today with American coins which makes them valuable. The percentage of low end ancient coins that are fake is so low it is not even an issue to consider if you have aging like this. As for the value of this coin, in a lot unidentified it is worth $5 and identified it is worth $15-$20 in this condition. So this is not a candidate to consider as a fake coin.
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Coinnewbie3: Forgive me, you asked two questions. One was "Could this coin be bogus" and I answered that very well I am sure you will agree. But I sadly did not answer the second question as to the ID. Well below is a close match. https://www.ebay.com/itm/TRAJAN-116...AOSwHMJYPRuPOf course it is from a dealer who says, "was $850 marked down to $340 with a make offer" and when someone offers him $50 he will take it after a bit of haggling. Now he will originally get the coin from the same places we all do, like the NN link to next weeks coins from Austria Marcus Newman will certify. You see the coin can be purchased in a group lot for about $5. https://www.biddr.ch/auctions/numis...789&l=285521I'll be buying there as always, as he has monthly tens of thousands of coins for sale as do many other EU auction houses. I have to admit waiting a month to 3 months for EU customs is annoying these days, so I like ROMA in the UK as they send you coins in a week. Hope that all helps and perhaps the best thing for you to do is to buy a big lot from an auction house. ID a few and sell them and you will get countless coins free this way. Coins were always buried with people to pay the ferry to the afterlife for thousands of years so it is quite addictive to buy the countless ancient coins available from great auction houses in the EU. |
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louisvillekyshop, thank you
I usually collect most worn coins... not just because they are cheaper but I always figured that the more aged they look, the more genuine they MUST be,considering how difficult it would be to age and make it look truly ancient
I heard about the Toronto Group of forgers making better and better fakes and I was worried that even the worn ones could be bogus.I am glad my original suspicions were confirmed and thats very unlikely
It always made me ask myself "Why on earth wold anyone want to buy silver and gold ancient coins in perfect or near perfect condition when the chances of forgery is so high you might just be throwing money away towards something that could have been made just a few years earlier?"
I understand people like detail and especially readable legends on their coins, but Why spend $500 dollars US on a coin in mint condition when you always have to wonder if its real or not when you could by 5- 100 dollar US on coins that is less likely? or even 10 even more worn coins for only 50 dollars US making it more likely the odds of being genuine are on your side?
This I will never understand... and I wish I could figure why.Are these people so wealthy they just dont care how much they spend?
Thanks again
and Thank you bob for additional confirmation.
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06/24/2018 1:14 pm
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Coinnewbie3; Living in a Capitalist world now money is always the thing to follow. If there is no profit margin no one does it. Like the photo below, coins from the EU auction houses on my piano bench. I'll kill myself going through them, put up the interesting ones by themselves and the rest in lots, spend like 4 hours a night on the business, and my messages in ebay will be a ton of people asking how they can be sure they are real. And asking for me to sign a certificate to attest they are real, totally useless document as the NGC slab does not even say this. But it is fun and as I said addictive. You notice how easy it is for us to ID coins now, having many coins pass through your hands is all the training anyone needs.  |
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 I'd like to roll around on that table for a while... |
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It always made me ask myself "Why on earth wold anyone want to buy silver and gold ancient coins in perfect or near perfect condition when the chances of forgery is so high you might just be throwing money away towards something that could have been made just a few years earlier?" If you educate yourself and buy only from reputable sources, the chance of being stung by a forgery is minimal. |
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Have you taken any time to go over the section on Books, down.loads and websites? Most of your questions would be answered there. You would also be able to download a free copy of ERIC 1 which covers a good portion of Roman Coinage. http://www.dirtyoldbooks.com/eric.html Whildwinds is a great resource and Dane puts a lot of time an effort into updating it. It is the first place I always go to if I'm looking for an ID. However that isn't the only resource, and if you read through the section you will see that there are any more. You have the tools available, learn how to use them. If you are really stuck, we are here to help you. |
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To amplify echizento, there are excellent resources available online. Many of the classic references such as the BMC catalogues predate copyright and are available for free download in pdf or ebook format at sites like books.google.com, archive.org and hathitrust.org. Many recent papers and even full-length books are available free through academia.edu, jstor.org and similar sites. Checking just now, I have 2,655 numismatic references, both complete books and individual articles, in pdf format on my laptop hard drive. The bibliographic index alone is a 62-page word document. You can't beat a good library, especially one that fits in your backpack!
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06/24/2018 5:41 pm
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@Kushanshah you got me beat, I have a little over 1100 pdf's on my computer.
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